smash
Was I signed up for some beta? I’ve had firefox groups for a few weeks now.
And holy shit do I need em.
They do A/B testing for everything now. Why? No clue.
A/B testing a very effective mass testing ground, I’m surprised some people don’t do it. Amazon is probably doing a few dozen a/b tests constsntly
smart tab groups, a new AI-powered feature that suggests names and groups based on the tabs you have open.
Yeah sure ok. Did the community ask for this too?
Real.
I mean, why not?
They integrated accessibility focused, local, AI pretty well.
Loads of folks bitched about it because they were triggered by “AI”, but it’s essentially invisible, as it should be.
I hate naming things, that’s actually something AI is good at, hell yeah, let it name my shit for me please.
Then again, these communities are always full of Debby downers who hate on everything.
[Dr. Who meme format]
Is AI bad?
It Depends. Large corporate AI hosted at a data centre that consumes a nuclear reactor’s worth of power and a lake’s worth of water for cooling for the purpose of generating slop stolen from Artists and Writers? Yes.
Locally run embedded AI designed for a specific task to automate small processes or enhance the UI experience with little cost to local computing resources because it’s been properly optimised? No.
a datacenter is more efficient than lots of smaller individual computers doing calculations independently. They actually make their stuff as efficient as possible, otherwise it hurts margins. So, if you’re against datacenter AI because of power, then just stop using ai. If everyone ran locally, the efficiency would be significantly worse overall.
I actually hate what llms have become, but efficiency is still not a good way to compare a datacenter to a home computer.
A consumer would use a lower token AI compared to large datacenters. I am sure it does less environmental damage, because the home user doesnt need tap water for cooling.
I don’t care about AI when it’s doing minor things like this it’s when they’re shoving it down our throats and we don’t want it.
AI as a tool? Hell yeah.
AI to replace people? Fuck no.
For one second I thought Mozilla might have made something that wasn’t anti-feature… But OF COURSE it’s going to need to have AI 😑
welcome Firefox to 2021
All that article and they don’t say how to use it it turn it on, smh.
I got a big banner page that asked me if I wanted to turn it on once I updated. Can’t miss that really.
Been loving the feature.
My next hope is that they’ll upgrade tab groups so (when collapsed) I can move them around like normal tabs. Right now it’s a little awkward if I start the group in the wrong spot.
Have any Simple Tab Group users tried out Mozilla’s very overdue revisit to this functionality?
I’m interested in pros and cons before switching over.
I had to enable them:
about:config->browser.tabs.groups.enabled->trueThank you for this. Now I know hire to turn them off.
But they’re off by default so I’m not sure what you’re talking about
Not on my browser they aren’t. They just started offering to make groups one day, and while I want to tear out someone’s tongue for it, it would require far too much effort, and might just be a bit of an overreaction.
Hoping someone might be able to help me out with this info, I’ve tried looking and can’t find a solid answer.
When you use the “Save and close group” feature of tab groups, do they
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Stay forever, no matter if you close Firefox, restart your pc, not used that group in months etc.
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Allow an unlimited, or at least a high number, of saved and closed tab groups.
I mainly ask because it specifically puts closed and saved tab groups in a section called “recent tab groups” which sounds suspiciously temporary.
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Vivaldi: laughing in 2019
Opera had it before they dropped presto back in like 2013.
To be fair, the current Vivaldi team consists of a lot of the ones that made Opera Presto.
Interesting… So Vivaldi is like Opera 2.0?
You mean laughing in before COVID
Firefox laughing in 2004 with anything else…
I am on Vivaldi now but after manifest v3? I’m very happy to see tab
stackinggrouping come to Firefox based browsers as that’s definitely the escape plan, possibly very soon.
Not something I’ll ever use, but cool regardless
I already used it three times accidentally while rearranging tabs. Mostly annoying, I haven’t used them yet
I got a Stroke reading that. You used it 3 times but haven’t used it?
The three times were all accidental. Didn’t use it with intention yet
How do you unuse a tab group?
I feel like this feature is a good idea that has come too late for me. I already “group” stuff via windows. That’ll be a hard habit to break.
Do you use an add-on to prevent that from wiping out all but one window’s worth of tabs when you close them? That’s what originally made me get a tab grouping addon, after losing a ton of tabs when I broke some out into their own window and then later closed the main tab window before the secondary one. Realized immediately what happened but it was already too late to save that entire generation of precious tabs. Who knows what articles I didn’t feel like reading at the time but was totally going to read later I lost forever.
I either let the OS close firefox and then it opens all windows when I next start firefox. Or I use ctrl+shift+n to reopen the last closed window
Ctrl+Q terminates the whole program at once and you don’t lose any windows.
Oh btw, just like Ctrl+shift+t reopens closed tabs, so Ctrl+shift+n reopens whole windows, with all tabs.
Interesting, though you can also just keep pressing Ctrl+Shift+T and it’ll eventually restore entire windows in the reverse order of closure, whether tab or window.
I close all windows at once via the Quit feature, then it re-opens all of them. You can trigger that from the menubar (press Alt to unhide it) in the “File” menu at the bottom.
You can also re-open a closed window from the “History” menu in that menubar.These might also be available in the hamburger menu. I’ve got that hidden, so can’t check easily…
I miss Panorama so much!
I would much rather see Tree Style Tab be integrated.
I use sidebery, I find it even better
Doesn’t seem to indicate whether groups will work with vertical tabs and unless that’s the case, I’m not switching from TST.
I’ve been using tab groups with vertical tabs. No issues here. I’m on stable.
They do work in vertical tabs, but only one level. You can’t have nested tabs as far as I can tell.
Waterfox does this with an improved implementation of tree style tabs. Also zero Mozilla Corp telemetry, opt-in or otherwise.
ok, mozilla is at least doing stuff we want along with ai garbage now.
Except right now you lose all of your open tabs if you close the browser with the “X” on pc or if you shut the computer down.
To make it save your open tabs right now, you have to click the … and then select “exit”.
I think that’s an issue with your install, when I shut down my computer or press the x it restores tabs fine next time I open it.
If it’s with the install, it’s from a bad/corrupted update. FF has been on there for ages. Are you on windows 10? I’ve seen it’s a known issue because it’s findable if you Google it. Be a strange bit of a corrupt install, being that it’s the only issue and that it works as expected if you select “exit” instead of hitting the “X”. Regardless, if you’re also on 64bit win10 system and it works normally for you, I’ll do a clean install.
Yes this is also on a 64 bit windows 10 install, so in theory yours should be functioning the same. Good luck getting that sorted as if you are like me and frequently use the same tabs that does sound like a pain
Do you have “open previous windows and tabs” ticked in settings? I’m also on 64bit win10 without the issue you describe.
When I click history in the menu after reopening firefox, I have an option to restore previous session.
I’ve clicked history to get some pages back, but haven’t noticed a restore previous session option. Great if it’s there, but still a large bug that’s been present for quite a while.
Can’t you restore them with Ctrl + shift + T or maybe Ctrl + shift + N ?
Thankfully, the useful changes trickle downstream to Waterfox, LibreWolf, Floorp, etc.
the beauty of foss
AI garbage seemingly pays the bills…
Seems like it creates bills, but also has enough hype behind it to generate investment/donation interest.
At least the AI runs locally, as opposed to sending everything to someone else’s computer for processing. Local translation in Firefox actually works quite well.
Shit, I remember seeing requests for tab groups for like 20 years under an assortment of names and descriptions. Neat to see. Useless for me, but neat to see.
Now, the team is experimenting with smart tab groups, a new AI-powered feature that suggests names and groups based on the tabs you have open.
I bet you one cheap bottle of mineral water they’ll implement this like tomorrow
Next they’ll implement DownThemAll natively. Really putting their finger on the pulse of 2008.
OpenSUSE added parallel downloading to zypper a month ago, so anything is possible.
This is a nice feature when you have a group of multiple sites you need quick access to on the regular. For me, I manage around 12 websites in three environments ; dev, test, and prod. Being able to group the websites by environment keeps things organized and somewhat readily available at two clicks (maybe three if you count collapsing a group before opening another group).
