Or do, that guy isn’t your boss. If he is, what are you doing listening to him about non work stuff he seems like a gatekeeper kina guy.
Cat on a table.jpg says:
“I’m going to create a new distro by changing the name of Debian”
Sorry, the best I can do is busybox as init.
Do you have a minute to talk about GNU Guix?
May I introduce you to left parenthesis and right parenthesis? May I further introduce you to millions of parentheses?
ALSO BRING BACK HANNAH MONTANA
What’s so NSFW about it?
yiff is furry sex
Yiff is a slang term used in the furry fandom to refer to pornographic content of anthropomorphic animal characters.
Oh.
Well, it lacks a proper bootstrap and its documentation is basically empty trash.
hell live bootstrap has those and did it without requiring a file system or a kernel to get there https://github.com/fosslinux/live-bootstrap
I don’t really get this distro thing.
So it is basically just like choosing which app to access reddit with, except that if i choose the wrong app i might be auto-banned from a lot of the subs?
Also, i won’t see stuff i am searching for sometimes, because the distros sometimes make trouble if someone else hasn’t already subscribed? Or is that only on mastodon?
I am using Voyager, and chose lemm.ee for no apparent reason. But so far, it just feels like a shittier version of reddit but with better mods? I dunno.
I think you’re confused between a Linux distro and a Lemmy server
Never touched linux, but i am referring to this
And you’re on c/linux memes talking about “distros” (short for linux distributions) as if they were lemmy servers. You won’t be banned anywhere just because you install the distro ubuntu, none of it has anything to do with reddit, lemmy, mastodon, nor voyager. To put it quite simply, it does indeed seem that you are confusing linux distros with lemmy servers. Otherwise you’re purposefully off topic I suppose, which, ok I guess.
You’re right, i was confused then 😂
Android is Linux
I cringed so bad reading this.
Okay yes thank you, but we both know what was meant.
Every project eventually makes their own package manager. Its pretty insane if you stop and think about how routinely the package manager is re-invented.
For real. I don’t mind the million distributions, but can we agree on one single package manager?
There are only two options that fix dependency hell. Nix and Guix
Back in 2000 I started using Linux with RedHat (That’s what they were teaching us in college then.) and got to know RPMs before the automatic package dependency resolution tools. Then I moved to Ubuntu in 2004 and have been using that since, and even had a job where I built custom Linux distros based on Debian where I had to build DEB packages, so I got to know that system pretty well.
But, honestly, if there are better package managers out there I wouldn’t mind changing if it means we all use the same thing.
I’ve broken both Fedora and Ubuntu already, so I had to find better solutions. With NixOS I can roll back to a previous revision easily on boot
How do you break Ubuntu?
Upgrade 22 LTS upgrade to Ubuntu 24 LTS failed and I forgot the upgrade didn’t succeed when I rebooted. Unlike NixOS, it doesn’t roll all the changes back when the upgrade is unsuccessful
Aaah I see. Ok. I can see why Nix appeals so much to you.
As I said, I need to try it out. I’m gonna download it right now and try it in a VM.
Every time someone complains, another package manager is created
Where is that comic about standards now that we need it? The one where they create a new standard that is going to solve all the problems, except for now there is just one more standard??
Edit: https://xkcd.com/927
We don’t even need a new standard. Let’s just settle for one of the existing ones.
I’m okay with this, as long as it’s the one I’m using
And which one is that?
Nix, if it’s not obvious from my other posts
I have to check it out.
the number of package managers went up by 1
Flatpak it is.
I don’t know if Flatpak can cover all the scenarios. It seems to be mostly for Desktop apps. I know Ubuntu was able to have system tools installed with Snaps though. However, having apps installed with their dependencies in one package is neat, but it takes a ton more in storage.
Flatpak is a great extra layer to have on top of a regular package manager, but I wouldn’t use it as a sole package management system.
I think an immutable system package manager like Nix is perfect to supplement Flatpak.
Sure! As long as its nixpkgs.
Apt+snap
No
I’m mildly impressed no-ones downvoted me to hell yet.
Your “no-ones” just caused me great internal confusion.
I just googled noone…
Not really
There are only a few mainstream package formats and ultimately you are going to probably be using distro packages or portable formats like Flatpak.
Does my distro qualify for this? I already implemented my own package manager and init system in Rust, and the only thing to do is to port build scripts from Arch to my format and make an ISO.
We already have NixOS, why anything else?
(Guix is cool too).
A good wiki for it?
https://wiki.nixos.org/wiki/NixOS_Wiki
Still lacking a bit of information about specific stuff.
Unofficial should have the same information, but sometimes there is a discrepancy.
https://search.nixos.org/options
For any option you might need the name of.
https://nixos.org/manual/nixos/stable/options.html
For basically anything else where you just have the implementation documentation
Gentoo with an external build server. (for storage ir performanceconstrained systems)
Does it use Systemd? If so, then we need something else.
Service something from PCLinuxOS please, but with actual anaconda kick-starts.
Doesn’t have too! You can just use nix as a package manager and install it to whatever distro you choose 😉
Cybersecurity engineers and pentesters don’t need Kali or Parrot. You don’t need Proxmox to use LXC and KVM. You don’t need OpenMediaVault to have Samba and NFS shares. You don’t need Clonezilla to make use of the OCS toolkit. You don’t need LMDE to have a Debian OS with Cinnamon and nonfree drivers installed, or Endeavour to have Arch with KDE Plasma.
But it’s sure as shit good to have everything packed together and preconfigured by professionals.
Maybe the existence of these distros (appliances) is a sign of the state of Linux.
May the next distro win.
Proxmox does add extended hardware support, as does Kali. Parrot enables necessary repos and kernel modifications for Red and Blue team workflows. I don’t know enough about DEs to speak about the others but those three don’t apply to the meme.
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Or if not professionals at least someone who knows more about it than yourself.
Absolutely.
Edit, responded to the wrong comment somehow.
And even if they don’t, they know enough to do it to a level I am happy to not bother doing it myself.
Or at least willing to push whatever barely working bullshit they forgot to test.
Clonezilla is more like an app that comes with an OS on a liveCD for convenience, as it’s troublesome to use the very OS you’re cloning.
Yeah its a program that has a minimal OS. Its more about the program than the operating system.
I’m not sure I’d go to the lengths of using OMV just to have a samba share.
Hardware support is not really the province of distro, to me. Which makes them even more ridiculous.
Only 5 distros exist: Debian, Ubuntu, Linux Mint, RHEL/Fedora, and built it yourself.
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Debian or Debian based
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Ubuntu based
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Fedora and atomic distros
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Arch
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Bonus: Nix
Extra:
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Linux Mint
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Bazzite
Arch is basically Debian with extra steps. Doesn’t count.
It is basically Debian except for it is nothing like Debian.
Right!
I don’t get it
Void? Alpine? Guix?
Alpine sort of used but it is pretty niche and is mostly using in containers.
Void and Guix both have tiny market share and lack a use case
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Do you count openSuSE as rhel? Also mint is just Ubuntu, and Ubuntu is not Debian because Ubuntu has more up to date drivers software and what not.
You listed Debian three times.
Eh … Mint is Ubuntu based, Ubuntu is Debian based so they’re all Debian … Also Arch? ^I ^use ^Arch ^btw
And OpenSUSE?
Nah. Push them out like rabbits do with their babies. Let them fight and see which ones prevail!
Honestly I’m kind of excited for the infrastructure as code tools. I think it is only going to get easier to customize a install quickly.
