Same…
Same as always, world and ml are competing to see who can fling the most shit. Whats most funny is that in a sense theyre both right and complete idiots. Ml accuses world of being genocide supporting imperialist NeoLibs (which isn’t exactly wrong), while world accuses ml of being tankies (not completely wrong either).
.ml has flung no shit. It’s just really loud .world users trying to split communities
Most based take possible.
Don’t fight comrades, let’s organize our hatred against big techs that are the real evil
Hey! Fuck you chemicalwonka! Your nuanced, slightly different opinion enrages me! We’re enemies now.
cool
Let’s just talk about Rampart
Basically “Someone said something I disagree with. Instead of dealing with it or ignoring this user, I want the whole instance to be nuked!”.
I laught a lot with “nuked” lol lol
Who could have guessed that trying to bring together people with opposing views would generate so much attrition…
It kinda pisses me off tbh. It’s like that friend that has to keep telling you how boring the movie is when you’re just trying to sit and watch it. Like, stfu and go away then, stop trying to be a crab on the bucket for the rest of us.
Is there a federation map somewhere so you can see what instances are federated with each other and which are not?
I’d also be interested in knowing that.
Someone answered the comment above with a link, go check it out!
Yes.
https://federation-checker.vercel.app/
This link lets you type in an Instance name and it will tell you what other Instances allow it and which ones block it.
There’s also this site, which gives you more options for filtering, but also seems to throw up errors pretty consistently in my experience.
In terms of figuring out which instances are cool with one another, this site is also quite useful. It’s a web of trust model that a majority of major instances participate in.
It shows which instances endorse one another, with those instances obviously being federated. It also shows how instances choose to describe/tag themselves, which can give you a better understanding of their general vibe. And it also shows which instances are viewed with suspicion, as they are hesitated or censured by other instances.
@Martineski pinging you
From what I’ve seen, a lot of the toxicity is trickling down from the powermods. Same issue migrated from Reddit.
Mods will always be a problem.
I’ve yet to encounter a well adjusted human who voluntarily mods.
I just think it’s neat.
Maybe we need a draft.
My preference is for completely community moderated platform.
People essentially vote for content moderation. Likely susceptible to gamification but I’m still interested in seeing it in practice.
Considering the use of downvote bots already, I don’t see that working any better. But then I don’t have any better ideas.
Probably some of the same powermods doing it
I would bet money that you’re right.
Blahaj can start fostering an inclusive community and stop legitimizing trolls whenever they want drama to stop
Fighting trolls should not be done by invalidating neopronouns, speak to anyone that uses neopronouns and they’ll likely tell you that it quickly cascades into witch hunting.
Is it still invalidating when someone using neopronouns is doing so disingenuously?
Again, invalidating neopronouns is a cascading issue that results in witch-hunting and should be avoided.
Not sure I agree as it seems like black and white thinking.
I.e. I could imagine a scenario where someone is very obviously/admits to using neopronouns disingenuously and that would break my social contract with them to honour it.
If I make an assessment of neopronoun usage on a case by case basis I can still avoid witch hunts. It’s similar to how I determine in real life if someone is an asshole or not.
Another way; I can support a person who I genuinely believe uses neopronouns while denouncing and excluding someone who doesn’t.
It is a very tricky slope. It’s best to never compromise on neopronoun usage even with suspected trolls, they can be discredited without erasing the pronouns.
Ada how many accounts do you have?
What do you mean? My name’s not Ada, and I have 2, this one and the Hexbear version under the same name.
Yeah this is why people are leaving, you think they are stupid and it’s insulting.
Ada & Cowbee are not the same person, so who’s stupid now?
Legitimately what are you talking about? Who is Ada?
It’s just basic maffs, Cowbee:
- Any given opinion can only be held by one person in the universe.
- Admin Ada @ blahaj and you have the same opinion regarding neopronouns.
- Therefore you and Ada incontrovertibly must be the same person.
Oh, that’s funny. Pretty sure Ada would hate me for being a Marxist, so that’s especially strange.
Thank you. Spot on.
I’m also seeing bizarre infiltrations of instances by likely paid teams of saboteurs who know exactly how to deFed the federated.
all i know is sh.itjust.works
The reason corporate social media sucks is its monopolistic nature. “Instance wars” are why lemmy is better than reddit, which consists of exactly one instance.
Yeah, right. That totally makes Lemmy better. It’s so pleasant to always bicker and threaten to defederate from each other. It’s also so unlike Reddit where Subreddits brigade each other and have sub wars. Lemmy is so unique in that… /s
What we need is a strongman to come along and tell everyone what to do.
There was a good comment by @pjwestin@lemmy.world the other day on an angry anti-.ml post:
Before joining Lemmy: “It really doesn’t matter what instance you join, you’ll be able to see content from all over.”
After joining Lemmy: “So you’ve enlisted in .world, eh? Welcome to the fight, soldier!”
What’s the beef here? I’m out of the loop.
There’s currently about 600 lemmy instances, in many different countries, and those countries each have different laws regarding the protection of speech. Some of it is also just power-tripping mods or left-wing / right-wing censorship.
If this is happening to a community you like, you can always switch to the same community in a different instance. Eventually, the “official” community will have the most subscribers and the community with the censorship problems will wither and die.
Lemmy.world is very liberal leaning and defederated from the Marxist aligned instances. Lemmy.ml is more broadly federated and has Marxist mods and admins, and more leftist users in general.
That’s it. Some users make it a fight.
I’m pretty progressive leaning and just joined .world because I had no idea what lemmy was and was tired of reddit but I thought it didn’t matter what one you joined since you can see all the other instances correct? Or am I wrong here, like if I go to All it shows pose from all instances? Have been curious why I have seen so much far left as in comrade leftist post so I guess that adds up if .world is where they mainly hang out. But again I still don’t completely understand lemmy but I enjoy it more than reddit
Instances are like islands, with bridges between others. Some instances sever their bridges to other islands so their citizens can’t see any of that content and the other island’s users can’t comment.
Lemmy.world is defederated from instances like Hexbear.net and Lemmygrad.ml, so you can’t see their comment. Hexbear is mostly an Anarchist and Marxist hangout, Lemmygrad is specifically Marxist-Leninist and takes itself a bit more seriously. Your “All” feed doesn’t show anything from them.
Instances also matter because some have great local feeds based on niche interests, that’s part of why I like Hexbear and find it great to browse locally. .world is more of a Reddit replication.
Great explanation thank you!
No problem!
Wait did world defederare from ml after all? I thought it hadn’t. Because people keep complaining about ml and I still see memes.ml and comments from ml users. Or is it one of these things where federation works in ways that are more complex than most of us assume? Is it that the other instances defederated from world? But I’ve seen ml users comment on my comments. Argh federarion is confusing…
there are multiple instances whose domains end in .ml. lemmygrad.ml and lemmy.ml and the ones that i’m aware of.
lemmy.ml is the primary instances where Lemmy was (and is) originally developed from and that’s usually what they’re referring to when they say .ml
Gotcha thanks
It’s our version of sports teams
Would be more fun for it to be soccer or chess or something, lol
Chess boxing it is
Wild, lmao!
very liberal leaning and defederated
For me, “slight liberal leaning” is more appropriate for them
What exactly are instances? I picked one at random that claimed to be “general purpose” because I didn’t know what I was doing (I migrated very recently)
Instances are like islands, with their own cultures and rules. Hexbear.net, for example, is for Communists and Anarchists to hang out and talk about news, gaming, art, etc, while dbzer0 is an instance focused on piracy, AI, and has a techie anarchist slant, Lemmy.world is very much Reddit 2, etc.
Each of these islands has their own communities, but other islands that are federated can visit these communities. Some instances have strict federation policies like Hexbear.net, which it uses to protect its large trans userbase, while others take the opposite approach like lemm.ee, allowing users to subscribe to any comms across the fediverse they like (that aren’t defederated from lemm.ee, which is generally few).
I recommend finding some instances you are interested in, and browsing locally to see if it would be a good fit for you. Then, check if other instances you are interested in are federated with it, so you can see what you want when sorting by all. In my opinion, the biggest strength of Lemmy is in having niche userbases on the same general page, that can then interact with other instances.
Wait…you can browse instances without making an account??? Whoops, lol, I guess I was a little too eager to get Boost for Lemmy working with an account of my own immediately following Boost for Reddit getting nuked.
Is there a good way to browse instances? (Particularly through Boost?)
Also, what are the instances… literally? Like, I’ve never seen social media have groups like this (tied to the account, and separate from the communities, that is)
Yep, you can browse instances just by visiting their sites! It’s how I signed up to the couple I use, not sure how Boost handles it, I just use my mobile web browser (Hexbear has emojis you can use if you use the web version, so I just use that). I am sorry about not knowing Boost specifically, my fiancé uses Voyager.
As for what instances literally are, they are their own websites and servers, but they can talk to each other, think email. Gmail can talk to protonmail, etc
So, Lemmy is a bunch of separate social media networks that seamlessly* connect to each other? That’s… really cool
I am just a chill lemm.ee guy
I’ve yet to see any open lemm.ee prejudice anywhere. AFAIK it’s the largest completely inoffensive instance and that’s exactly what I was looking for.
Hell yeah brother ✌️
Being yourself? Rad as fuck.
.zip lemmings chillin’
There’s 2 things I can’t abide: intolerant communities and the Dutch.
As a Dutchman representing the Dutch, we fully agree with the statement made.
Obligatory: G E K O L O N I S E E R D
Anyone unironically surprised by this? Lmao
