This is the way to fight back against fascist regimes.
This is the only correct response. Middle finger.
The surviving members of the Epstein community want to know for sure they are chatting with children when they pick their next targets.
“If GrapheneOS devices can’t be sold in a region due to their regulations, so be it.”
Wonder if Motorola feels the same way.
They can just sell their normal phone. As long as the user is able to run the installer it doesn’t really matter.
During prohibition era, there was a brick of dried grapes being sold as a nutrition supplement or something like that, but it had a “warning” sticker attached saying specifically not to dissolve it in a specific quantity of water, and if that were to happen, do not let a specific quantity of yeast to fall in it, and especially not to let it sit for 6 weeks, or else you might end up with wine, which is forbidden!
I can see a cheeky sort of company selling a phone with a little warning label attached to it…
That’s probably not a viable economic decision though
If you can’t open chrome on a pc, connect an android phone to it, and use a simple web tool you’re probably not capable of any actual level of digital privacy.
This isn’t me being elitist its just the fact that the resources needed to make this shit viable and easy are being tied up to corporations in order to make more easy-to-use corporate spyware.
Privacy under fascism takes time, effort, and education. Stop fucking expecting it to be OOTB. Society is literally engineered against that. Its not a reasonable ask of open source devs making privacy tools.
What else can those who value privacy and have computer skills do but try to be a good example and offer to help to those around them without the know-how?
Agreed, but teaching them the skills to do it themselves is better than doing the process for them.
Look at the teacher over here with the sensible opinions about teaching people to fish …
/s
You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink, especially not when you barely have time in the day to take a drink yourself.
If someone doesn’t have time or will to put privacy over convenience that’s kind of their gig. It sucks but like I can’t fuckin’ change their life schedule/priorities.
I spend enough time documenting and working in my homelab, I don’t need other people’s too. I’ll be happy to point people towards information and documentation, but that’s about it.
However if you’re not willing to:
- bury your nose in multiple wikis
- change out the OS on nearly every general purpose computing device you own
- Live most of your online life anonymously/pseudononymously
- Run a homelab (technically not required but makes life nicer)
You should stop while you’re ahead.
If you have kids I have no fucking clue how you’d even begin.
At that point you’re installing rootkit anticheat just to get little johnny playing games with their friends, fucking nightmare scenario.
Big tech has their claws deep into education and I don’t see that changing. Parts of the world see school shootings happen, a more obvious problem than lack of software freedom/privacy, but do not think that’s bad enough to change. Having children right now may be a bad idea.
I’ve already distanced myself by deleted most (big-tech) social media platforms. Currently trying to ditch Discord but I don’t see friends do the same. Stopping now may look like a good idea but the ick would remain.
When things really matter all we have is words or violence. I have no choice but to hope that good ideas win in the end, and that the world improves over time. Just be the best you can.
Yeah I’m trying to leverage my homelab for my friends that can’t set one up just to make things even slightly better.
Ultimately there’s only so much you can do to fight fascism.
mandatory age verifications on the OS isn’t a viable economic decision either, but that’s not stopping Media Matters and Meta from forcing their shitty anti-privacy policies on citizens.
That’s probably not a viable economic decision though
Should still be a good deal for Motorola. There’s a bunch of folks now who buy whatever phone runs GrapheneOS best. Whichever company courts us gets our business.
I’m sure we’re not a landslide, but sometimes niche communities can still make a huge difference for a company.
Hi, yes, it’s me, I’m one of those bunch of folks who would willingly switch off Google’s Tensor crap modem to ideally a Motorola phone with a Qualcomm modem that can run Graphene.
Why?
If they ship with Android but confirm that GrapheneOS works, those who even know of GrapheneOS’s existence will put in the effort to install it themselves. It’s totally viable and a simple plan.
Lol. The US is not the only market.
And the US isn’t the only place pulling this shit.
I believe the US and Brazil are the only countries in the world forcing age verification. They chose to pull their infrastructure out of France bit there is no ban on the sale of devices with it installed.
Germany has been discussing this for a while now. So are other EU states.
It’s always the same. “We need to catch the pedophiles, end e2e” or “the Internet is not a lawless space, give us id”.
Well, instead of us sitting here talking about GrapheneOS, an Android based system, why aren’t we all talking about pure Linux based phones instead of feeding into the duopoly of Google/Apple?
If we want to avoid giving into age verification we’ll still need to be selective about the Linux. But we have a chart.
Brian Lunduke, really? Is he still a MAGA? I don’t need that idiot to tell me what I should or should not use.
Good point.
It’d be pretty naive to assume that other countries wont follow.
I doubt Lenovo (Motorola) would commit to selling mobiles with gOS preinstalled if they really thought there was a threat to their sales.
Wonder if Motorola feels the same way.
Motorola phones will have both Graphene and Android.
Imagine if California then declared a ban on the sale of GrapheneOS compatible phones.
would be fun to see.
what the fuck is a graphene OS device
Google Pixels can be flashed with Graphene OS which is just a debloated, private, secure, opensource OS.
I don’t think a Google pixel is considered a grapheneOS device
When you put grapheneOS on it it is, and until Motorola releases their phones designed for it it’s the primary option.
A Motorola
Ig they are called grapheneOS devices?
They have partnered with motorola too right? Basedbasedbasedbased
If the US government bans Graphene, Motorola will drop them in 1/1000th of a heartbeat.
The rest of the planet may have something to say on that front. There IS more to the world than naziland.
Yes, but the US is a huge, profitable market. And companies will bend over backwards to appease Nazis so long as it’s more profitable to do so than not.
Within the US we have issues with all the US History books being written to comply with Texas’s “slavery was actually good for black people” bullshit because Texas is such a big market and everybody wants in on it.
Not for long.
Yes, other markets on the planet are marginal. Never mind that the EU is actually larger. In many metrics than the US. It’s not even in the “funny” pages of us websites, so apart to a minority of educated readers, it doesn’t even exist. And let’s not even start about the rest of the planet.
But meeting the US’s requirements doesn’t prevent products from being sold in Europe.
It’s the same reason film studios started pandering to China and why frying pans sold in Florida have a cancerous materials warning label that’s only required in California.
Companies cater to restrictive regulations in major markets because those products are still legal in less-restrictive territories.
You’ve got this all wrong. If anything, meeting us requirements would make eu people more suspicious of whatever product it is.
And why? They cant compete in usa anyway if they use android
Yes, but the US is a huge, profitable market.
“Thank God the Titanic was built so tough, or that iceberg we just hit might be a problem…”
Fuck the usa
How does the government ban an os? Can’t is a strong word, but I don’t see that happening. It’s a Canadian based foundation, not a Chinese or Russian company where they could argue national security in the same way they did with Huawei or TikTok.
It’s more likely a federal os-level age verification law gets passed and grapheneOS compromises or backs out out of the US market.
GrapheneOS is not a company doing business. If they’re banned, that just means Motorola can’t sell pre-installed phones, but that doesn’t change anything about the phone compatibility with GOS. You’ll have to install it yourself, just like today.
They’re trying to argue national security for Anthropic, a US based company.
That only bans the use of anthropic for government use. So no government entities or contractors could use it. We already do this for some other companies. BOD 17-01
Edit. Granted what they are doing for anthropic is slightly different since it is an executive order not a BOD.
The idea is that you can sell a phone without a system, but you can always enter one in binary through the power switch. See? Win Win!
Do you think Motorola would lock their bootloader or only stop selling the a phone pre-installed with graphene?
While that may be true, i do not respect corporations or governments and i will do my thing anyways
do you really think someone gonna actually care if an operating system has age verification beyond the mainstream ones…and so what, they gonna set up another mirror. big deal.
Good. Put that energy into a moderate parental control education fund or something. The ID gating the net is only for control.
Better yet, vote/demand actual punishments for parents when their children chose to commit crimes as they don’t want to parent.
I just ordered a (refurbished) pixel 9 pro because of the possibility of graphene.
Otoh everything here requires a phone app to confirm every action…
Any suggestions where to purchase one where I wont be giving my money to either Google nor Amazon? (I’m in the US btw)
What about https://swappa.com/? I haven’t used it myself but have been tempted.
I have! Can recommend. Got my last two phones/pixels from them (or similar.)
Sure. https://www.backmarket.fr/ is a great place to start.
Found a good deal on a 9 Pro XL and ordered!! Thanks.
Awesome. I’m glad I could help someone online.
From now on, you’re welcome at my table! (although the drinks are on you) x
I’m in the US btw
Ah well why didn’t you say so.
In that case, you’re just fucked.
You can buy used on ebay
I buy mine third party refurbished off of Newegg.
That good enough?
as it should be
this is why its a poggers operating system
CA’s law is “per child”. I guarantee lawyers are foaming at the mouth to claim every child in CA was hurt so they can line their pockets. CA’s public protection laws seem to be for the purposes of enriching lawyers. I’d love to see how many class action suits would get filed if lawyer fees were put under a hard cap.
“lawyers” can’t bring charges for this law. Only the AG. If people don’t like what the AG is doing then they can just start a recall election.
Now if only GrapheneOS was easy to install on cheap Android devices.
They have reached a deal with Motorola, so hopefully there will be more options soon. You can get we used pixels pretty cheap though, and the installation process is very easy.
I was wondering how this stance will impact that deal. A large company like Motorola would typically seek to comply with laws such as these
I’m hoping they already had the discussion with Motorola about it. I’m assuming Motorola wouldn’t be on the hook legally since Graphene is the OS provider. I could be wrong though.
Yeah, hopefully worst case, Motorola just doesn’t ship them with Graphene (which could be a security risk anyway). Then they’d be off the hook.
In the worst case it will just be Motorola shipping their base android version with verification and then just flashing grapheme over it. Just the way it currently works with pixels.
Remember Motorola phones are made by Lenovo which is now an Indian company.
You mean Chinese? With an ever bigger presence in India I’m sure
I thought it was Indian, but very possible I’m wrong.
Irrelevant. They need to comply with the laws of the market they are selling at.
Check what pornhub decided to do in Texas
Pixel is the brand name from DoubleClick. I’ve got no interest. Plus, it’s a pain to put them on Tracfone, so I’ve got net-negative interest.
It’s not just a pain, it’s basically impossible to install Graphene to a TracFone because you’d have to build it all yourself, and then still be vulnerable anyway. I also doubt that you could even get it to properly build for TracFone.
Grapheneos is surprisingly the most easy OS to install… The issue is most phone manufacturer’s dont meet Grapheneos its standards.
I agree, but isn’t that just the same way said differently?
it’s not hard to install if you have a phone that follows stringent standards, that only 30% of manufacturers follow…
Cheap android devices don’t have the proper security hardware. Hopefully the Motorola phone is cheaper than a pixel though. Used pixels are also pretty cheap, all things considered.
Correction, the oldest supported Pixels that will likely lose support soon are pretty cheap. Everything else was still around $400 when I checked last month.
$400 is pretty cheap for a phone these days.
No, $400 is about $300 more than any phone could ever be worth.
$400 is more than I have ever paid for a phone (and no, I never bought a carrier locked subsidized phone). From 2014-2022 I had 3 phones that cost a total of $450. This ain’t it.
I guess Graphene devs don’t care for ewaste.
I’m not interested in using anything with DoubleClick’s hooks in it. I’m happy with my $30 Tracfone for most of the features it offers.
Your TracFone will never have the security features required and will always be vulnerable to things like Cellebrite. If it’s an Android phone, you’re also being tracked by several companies.
That’s what it is then.I just don’t want to deal with the arbitrary nonsense like age-verification and software install limitations. Then again, I only have a phone at all because of my wife. If it were just me, I’d just keep a featurephone in a drawer and maybe check that it’s charged once a month. As it stands, I may end up having to give up the small amount of morality I have and just give up on Android and pay a ridiculous amount of money just for phone service.
I’m glad to see that Graphene won’t be doing the age verification thing, because I’m afraid all new phones (including TracFones) will require it moving forward. But the hardware limitations will continue to be a blocker for people with cheap phones.
I agree on wanting to ditch my phone altogether. Maybe if I can retire, I can ditch it.
Pixel’s a Google device in design. A used one unlocked, and GrapheneOS, and there is no Google.
And if all banking apps were compatible with it…
Banking apps work for me with exploit compatibility mode enabled for them.
Ding ding ding! Don’t even need to enable Play Services in most cases.
don’t use a banking app if you enjoy your privacy.
there isn’t a single banking app that isn’t tracking you.
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…it is?
It’s about time I flash that onto my pixel 6 pro.
The 5a is the newest unsupported device, so i’d guess the 6 is next.
Can you build it yourself like you can for Lineage?
I’m gonna have to replace my phone soon since it doesn’t receive security updates any more and I was thinking of going for GrapheneOS. What do you guys think about getting a Pixel 10 for that purpose? My second choice would be an iPhone but it’s both a lot more expensive and also less privacy respecting.
I was also considering a Fairphone but despite rating the repariability highly, there were too many other cons to the device.
You can get a pixel in the “a” series for a lot cheaper than the main series or pro.
I always run them and they last forever.
For example a pixel 8a is just under $400 full price.
Graphene also runs better than android due to lack of bloat, so you won’t notice the lower specs quite as much.
Graphene is probably overkill for a simple (commercial) privacy use case but it seems to be the best for confounding google and also stability. So that’s why so many people use it.
And there’s not much in terms of downsides.
Thanks for the response!
Currently, the Pixel 10 goes for 600€ including taxes, while the Pixel 9a goes for 370€. Both are on sale right now. The iPhone 17 and the Samsung S26 meanwhile both go for 1015€ and 1106€, respectively, just for price comparison. Would you still go with the 9a over the 10 in this case?
For my use case, the Pixel 10 doesn’t offer enough over the 9a to make the extra cost worth it for me.
I actually don’t know a lot about those models.
They last so long I tend to skip a few models at a time, and only bought my pixel 8a about 6 mths ago. So there’s been no need to research.
I’m sure there’s some good reviews or spec comparisons online. They tend to be excellent phones though.
I’m a tech snob but also a cheap bastard and they always fall into that middle part of the Venn diagram.
Adding to the noise: don’t forget that Graphene discontinues support for older devices as well, although the 10 is not one of them
It discontinues support on my phone the same month google does, so that support ends either way.
I’d concur with the other commenters here and recommend getting a second hand Pixel device. I was a lifelong iOS user until they walked back their end-to-end encryption, jumped ship to using a second hand Pixel 8 Pro I got on eBay, installed GrapheneOS immediately, never even experienced stock Android. After a bit of an adjustment period, I’m very happy with my choice.
Depends on your angle. The Pixel is a good phone and the OS works well, but it is a Google device. A growing minority wants to avoid investing in US big corp, or in anything US related in general given the current political situation.
A growing minority wants to avoid investing in US big corp, or in anything US related in general given the current political situation.
I’m definitely one of those people but there just aren’t that many alternatives. Like I said, I did consider Fairphone, but there were so many cons to their devices that it’s just not a reasonable choice for me personally. Which is unfortunate.
Thanks.
If I had to change phones now, I’d get a second-hand/refurbished Pixel and wait until the motorola devices take on. Fairphone is nice but lacks in security. The high price is only because of the “fair” small-scale production, the specs are quite mid for the price. I say this as a fp owner, I’m happy but if I had to choose again I’d go about it differently.
Got a Pixel 8a, i love it. Its fast, clean and customizable the phones have good technical specs and price/value for the a series is great.
In one year i only had two complications. One App i use hates the sandboxing and is lagging/freezing. I once had a broken update that bricked the phone until i sideloaded a newer update from pc. But its much less compromises / work then using a linux phone.
Using a 2nd hand Pixel 8 I got for 180 EUR running GrapheneOS, daily driving it since I received it.
Can recommend the Pixel, after my 7 pro XL went to shit I’ve picked up a 10 pro w/ GrapheneOS - way better experience.
Thank you!
You’re welcome! Like others have said, look for a second-hand one or as in my case, if you can find a new one through a private seller. Rather not directly support Google either.
I did this. Pixel 10 pro. Works great. Did it for my previous 2 pixels as well. Feel free to ask about it.
As a Fairphone 4 user, I’ve been quite happy with it for a few years. Could you elaborate what you deem the cons to be? (I’m not gonna argue, just curious)
Fairphone is a good project but i have three reasons to prefer Pixel/Graphen.
Fairphones are big/chunky i like smaller one handed phones that fit well in pockets the pixel a series is alreddy on the big end for me, the form of the samsung s10e was peak.
The price value in pure hardware specs of pixels a series is just better.
Graphen > Lineage if you want to sandbox / emulate play services for certein games, banking apps, etc.
The $700 you give Google for a pixel is only going to erode your privacy further and personally I wouldn’t trust any device made by them, regardless of the OS.
Edit to say you are basically just rewarding their behaviour.
I wouldn’t trust any device made by them, regardless of the OS.
What device would you trust?
Edit to say you are basically just rewarding their behaviour.
That’s a good point and it’s one I’ve been considering. I would’ve bought a second-hand phone if it weren’t for the fact that the second-hand market in my country is so bad to the point it’s not even worth considering.
Just get a refurbished/second hand one, many are as good as new
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I think Fair phone with eos is the “least evil” option but you won’t be able to use most banking apps or contactless payment.
you can use contactless payment with Curve Pay
Banking app probably depends on the app
Good boys !
That’s great. But sounds like the only phone they going to get is Motorola. And if us gov going to pressure motorola into compliance? Then what?
It’s a nonprofit organisation. They don’t really need to be the default OS in any device, people can install it themselves, which is how most people get GrapheneOS already anyway.
I JUST put together that the moto partnership means “buying a phone loaded with gOS” not “moto is working with gOS to ensure it runs smoothly on their hardware”. I was excited before but that is awesome
It could be either, I thought they meant the latter but we don’t know yet.
It’s not a federal law right now. It’s CA afaik. So Motorola could sell non-grapheneos phones there (and people could just install later).
It’s like 7 different states at varying stages of “passed” and Meta’s lobby is working on more for sure, wouldn’t be surprised if they were also work on a federal version too.
Probably are. I think it still think a federal age verification bill has low likelihood of passing, but I’d say that’s more plausible than an outright ban on GrapheneOS
