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Eyes Up’s purpose is to “preserve evidence until it can be used in court.” But it has been swept up in Apple’s attack on ICE-spotting apps.
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Stuff like this is why Google wants to restrict sideloading to “verified developers” only.
Even if an app like this isn’t distributed through Google Play, they could disable the developer’s account for any vague “abuse” reason.Why can’t this be a web app that uses web notifications? Why does it even need to be an on-device app? That’s building in a vulnerability that doesn’t need to be there.
Make it a site. Go to the site. Pin the site. Allow notifications from site. Done.
Yes, Apple and Google are in the wrong, but why are we relying on them for this at all? Not everything needs to be a fucking app.
What’s even stopping them from just uploading to archive.org?
Cause tech illiterate people need as much friction removed as possible.
This isn’t a tech illiteracy issue. Sure you CAN take a video, and upload it to archive.org from your phone.
Try doing that while actively being abused by ICE.
It’s about making the process as foolproof as possible, because seconds matter here, and making sure that footage is backed up as quickly as possible is paramount.
this is why we need to install apps without their approval or verification.
security my ass, they want to stop us from controlling computers.
They want to stop us controlling anything.
i was talking about phones, but yeah. we will own nothing and be happy.
18 U.S.C. § 1519 – „Destruction, Alteration, or Concealment of Evidence“ ?
Because corporations suck up to fashists if they are in power. That’s all.
fascists
But fashion? Englisch is weird.
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I banned Apple from my life a long time ago.
Never owned one of their products, not even once. When I realized the iPod didn’t support USB file transfer and they forced you to use iTunes, I knew that they were a bad company and I vowed to never use their products.
Other big companies like Google are not better
I didn’t say they were?
Have you disabled also Google from your life?
Yep. I use Firefox, got a cheap flip phone with potato OS and a mail.com email. Deleting the windows portion of my HD on the 14th. Don’t need any of that shit.
Working on it …
Why are these apps being distributed on app stores
Why are these apps not PWAs with an app store deployment wrapper???
The same reason they don’t sell people a live chicken in the grocery store. The general public wouldn’t know what to do with it.
Every Lemming be like “what app do you use” meanwhile I’m like “…app? 👀”
-Sent via WebUI
(I don’t keep stuff logged-in on my phone, incase a cop grabs it)
“what app do you use”
“Uhhhhh Firefox?”
Why are these apps not PWAs with an app store deployment wrapper???
Web wrapped websites are not allowed on either app store btw.
People need to realize. There is no fair access to technology. You either bend the knee or have to create your own marketplace.
Its why I have linux PC / laptops, and GrapheneOS on my phone (may get a fairphone next time)
Me too, but the lords of Technofeudalism, backed by government, won’t allow that forever. Maybe on PCs, but not phones. No “side loading” what they don’t approve. Banks and co, only allowing their apps on approved OSs. No satnav traffic data unless you use an approved satnav, rendering them useless.
The problem isn’t technological, it’s political. We need decent government protecting citizens and enforcing competition laws. The problem is the population don’t understand what is being done to them, so don’t vote against it.
None of it is new. Liberty vs security, monopoly, etc, aren’t new, but wrapping it in technology blinds most people to it.
Agreed on decent government…that is tech savvy. Ay leasy Fairphone is independent and you can swap the default android to Ubuntu touch OS
I’m sorry to say it, but neither Linux nor the hardware you use it on fit under “create your own”.
Well you can build Linux from scratch if you want to create your own. And RISC hardware is opensource, and gaining adoption.
But at least with Fairphone they have built it so that you don’t need google android or derivatives, you can install Ubuntu Touch OS.
With Ubuntu you have access to the worlds store of Linux apps, you don’t have to rely on apple or Google restrictions
Well you can build Linux from scratch if you want to create your own.
Building a project is not creating your own.
And RISC hardware is opensource, and gaining adoption.
RISC-V, and what’s gaining adoption is not what’s opensource.
I don’t think you are getting my point. When you depend on one humongous project, open or not, you depend on what those having influence in it decide.
That’s why they make autonomies, checks and balances, minority quotas, proportional systems and so on in democracies. Because deciding everything through a simple majority vote with no limitations and nuance, with winner taking all, doesn’t make things good.
In this case it’s a weight of work vote, not majority vote, but the results are not too much different. Similar to how Bitcoin turned out.
So-o - in Linux most of work is now being done by a set of the same big corporations. It’s not the magic freedom tool someone would want it to be, sorry.
You can totally build your own. You don’t have to rely on packages given.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISC-V
Free and OpenCode
And there are so many Linuxes (some like Redhat that gets influence from Intel, and some like (insert name here) that are peoples own projects) that corporate control cannot dominate it all.
Like nixOS has controversy at the moment because a steering board member is linked to US military. He could compromise the project by steering it toward the fascist regimes agenda, so you load Gentoo or VOID.
Choices are freedom
The claim that most of the work is bring done by big corps , skips a step. Corps have money and dedicate people to add to projects to suit their own needs, their commits to kernel may be high, but its not neccessry for a running system…there is a world wide open source community building their own stuff out of passion alone.
Like Facebook contributed a lot to btrfs, if you feel that somehow has shady backend, just don’t include it in your kernel modules.
Or if you are super paranoid run Haiku LOL
No, there’s one Linux and its versions. And various ways you can use it, build it, package it.
What I meant is that the codebase is mostly one.
It’s sort of like with Bible.
And there are so many Linuxes (some like Redhat that gets influence from Intel, and some like (insert name here) that are peoples own projects) that corporate control cannot dominate it all.
No, those people will still use code contributed by RedHat, and the OS whose development has been influenced by RedHat.
Like nixOS has controversy at the moment because a steering board member is linked to US military. He could compromise the project by steering it toward the fascist regimes agenda, so you load Gentoo or VOID.
NixOS is a distribution. Somehow in this quote you admit that said compromise can come in various ways, so controversy arises from that board member themselves just being there.
But with enormous companies making the actual software you ignore it.
Also replacing nixOS with Gentoo or Void is not quite equal. I’ve been trying to move to GuixSD from Void (because Nix gives me anxiety, Guile doesn’t, and the whole GNU spirit is nice), but I’m always too lazy to wait for actual Guix installation to finish, so I interrupt it and forget it for a while.
The claim that most of the work is bring done by big corps , skips a step. Corps have money and dedicate people to add to projects to suit their own needs, their commits to kernel may be high, but its not neccessry for a running system…there is a world wide open source community building their own stuff out of passion alone.
Too complex. When you need a more vague explanation than the obvious, cynical, common sense one, it’s likely wrong.
People building stuff out of passion alone do much more idea-centered and specific things. Which are much smaller. They don’t make consumer operating systems or web browsers or office suites or device drivers.
You can probably attribute things like Emacs and, ahem, Guix and a few other GNU projects permanently in alpha, like GNUNet, to this. And plenty of interesting obscure stuff.
But not things that make money. In that domain everything is done to in order make money by people paid for their work and in the way that doesn’t hurt moneymaking.
Like Facebook contributed a lot to btrfs, if you feel that somehow has shady backend, just don’t include it in your kernel modules.
No, that is probably fine, except btrfs still doesn’t react well to power loss, probably cause Facebook and Oracle think more about servers with UPSes. And that’s typical, other people make their own project goals, the results may work for you too, but you’d have something better if you paid for it directly.
Haiku is not about paranoia, but speaking about volunteers and passion - it’s a system made that way.
If you want to get that deep into it even your tomato choices are controlled by a large company (hybrid seed, chemical starter, distribution, preestablished deals with vendors) but you can still grow your own.
Nothing stopping anyone from being the next Linus and deciding to start something new.
Nothing stopping anyone from forking an old kernel and doing something different with it and stripping out the big corp stuff you don’t like.
I realize I’m not entirely free yet, but I sleep better ever since I changed to a non-Google Android ROM. Also because the path to proper mobile Linux feels shorter now.
Anyone still on Google Android: Look into making the change. It’s worth it.
And if not, at least start getting your apps from F-droid whenever possible.
Yep, switching as many apps as you can to foss apps, and moving to non Gmail based email services will make future switching way easier.
I’d love to make the switch. I was looking into custom roms for my S24U and finally decided I’m okay with tripping Knox, so I’d give it a go… Nope! Samsung has removed the ability to unlock the bootloader in OneUI 8, with no path to downgrade. So I’m stuck with an excellent piece of hardware, running software that collects and sells my data.
Does “play integrity” work on non Google android? I’m rooted and system wide adblocking, but I still use things like streaming apps.
MicroG makes most things work, so it’s not much compromise in my experience. :)
I use /e/OS which has access to apps from the Play Store, so that I still have my banking apps and stuff. I think streaming apps should work just fine.
Thank you for letting me know!
Or start breaking things.
Time to smash the looms.
So if we ever take back this country, we’ve gotta destroy Palantir, Apple, Google, Meta, Disney, Microsoft, Amazon, CVS (working to compile a medical database on all USAmericans)… and every company that backed Trump’s Nazi campaign. Start making a list now. The corporations alone will be a life’s worth of work.
CVS (working to compile a medical database on all USAmericans)
Can I have a source for that?
Not sure if this proves anything, but it is probably the source of the comment.
Nationalize all of them, democratic the new platform so the government can’t control it. We get one environment that’s compatible with everything AND can’t be weaponized by tyrants
Basically every company over a certain size. They all got that big by unfair conduct or outright abuse, because your market laws are way too lax and regulators look away.
You have created menaces that the rest of the world (and the environment) has to deal with.
Add Tesla, Starlink & Oracle
oh, yeah, of course Musk’s companies go on there… and I saw a few things about Oracle’s surveillance efforts.
Excuse me? Comcast belongs on that list.
there’s no way the democrats would ever do anything like that, let alone the republicans.
We’ll never have this county back by relying on the Democrats.
You are correct, but who said it would be the Democrats doing the work?
Why do you need an app for that, when it can be blocked from both app stores? Did people forget about self hosted websites?
Yes
Unironically yes, mostly cause most websites on mobile are the most horrid experience and an app for the average audience is just how phones are nowadays
Also some shady company can get full access to my photos, contacts, call history, location data, camera etc. when I use their app to remind me to buy tomatoes and eggs. its just how things are in 2025 🤷 /s
A lot of sites suck on mobile because the browser sucks, the app can’t be bothered to make a mobile friendly version, or it’s intentionally made awful to force you to use the app (assuming they don’t literally just redirect you to the app store when you try to go to the website).
I’m actually surprised at how often a shitty looking website looks fine once I tell the stupid fucking built in kneecapped chrome browser to open in Firefox and it’s fine.
Lol I tried using Baidu Maps too look up the neighborhood I used to live in mainland China, and jesus christ it automatically attempted to download the .apk EVERY TIME I tap something on the site. Wtf lol 🤣
Edit: typo
Ohh wow a mega corp who pretend to do care about your privacy is collaborating with the government doing Nazi cosplay
I get it. Pomme bad. But why does this even need to be an “app”? Is it just a wrapper for a website?
Here’s the app’s page on Google Play.
Features: • Anonymous Recording – No account, no personal details required. • Secure Uploads – Encrypted transfer to privacy-focused storage. • Map-Based Sharing – Videos appear where they happened, for public awareness. • Offline Support – Record even without internet; upload when connected. • Metadata Control – Strips identifying data before publishing.
Seems like more than just a website wrapper.
Surely all of those things can be done in a browser. You can grant location and camera permissions to a website easy enough. And encrypted transfer can be done any number of ways. Offline recording is possible with localstorage. All of this seems very achievable and effectively uncensorable by Apple.
The only thing it can’t get is App Store search rank.
…offline support?
Yeah, you get some offline capabilities (like recording video to local storage) when you have a PWA. Obviously app or not, nobody is going to be uploading video without an internet connection.
It would definitely be a bit more annoying to program, and a bit more naggy to the user for permissions during setup I’m sure, and running in the background would take some finagling and extra work and iOS could still kill it in the background on you … but otherwise it’d be the same.
Probably doesn’t need to run in the background unless I’m missing some feature?
Video uploads. If the browser tab is closed, the upload is interrupted. An app can continue running in the background.
Sure, it’s possible. But you’re basically turning the browser into a virtual machine and building an app on that virtual machine, jumping through a lot of weird hoops in the process. It’s unnecessary. Or should be unnecessary, anyway, with a sane operating system.
What? No man, this is all standard mobile web stuff.
A web browser is already basically a “virtual machine”. You can even run what basically amounts to native code using WebAssembly (yeah it’s closed to JVM but you get what I’m trying to say).
Yes, I know. I’m saying it should be an unnecessary layer.
iirc mobile safari doesn’t do pwas and doesn’t have a lot of the web apis
I guarantee you that all this can be done in Mobile Safari. I have done it before.
You have to go through the “Share > Add to Home Screen” workflow instead of having the site simply install it for you, so it’s a bit more effort (and confusion) on the user’s part.
It does. I’m posting this comment on the Mbin pwa on my iPhone, works pretty well.
It does. Installing them is intentionally obtuse and is buried in the “share” menu.
Because people are stupid. We had a new client whose employees were asking for an app to access their payroll. I told the manager we didn’t have one but our website was optimized for mobile. Also told her I can show them how to put a shortcut on their home screen.
“They’re just not going to be able to handle that. If they can’t download from the app store they’re helpless.”
“But they’ll have an icon to click, just like an app.”
She just shook her head. I ended up wrapping the site in an app and putting it in the Play Store.
Offices really played a part in killing tech literacy. it departments should’ve never fixed bkau problems
No shit, Big Tech is going to kowtow to whoever is in charge.
Remove Apple’s restrictions from the equation and just make it a PWA. This isn’t the sort of app that needs to run natively on your device, anyway.
I was wondering about that with some of the recent removals as well: Why not just a PWA?
Something like Voyager or Phanpy runs excellent when installed as a PWA and especially with Phanpy I‘m not even missing a native app or „wrapper app“.
Thus solidifying my scorched earth policy with apple.
I don’t want your naziPhone.
FYI, Google is also going after ICE-spotting apps.
FYI, Google is also going after ICE-spotting apps.
And therefore, ill punish neither.
Can you add anything else to nullify action, and foster an attitude of placid obedience?
Please, share more ideas to help entrench the status quo.
Can you add anything else to nullify action
You’re made of spare parts, aren’t ya, bud? No, therefore you should punish both, and get a phone with GrapheneOS or Linux.
You’re made of spare parts, aren’t ya, bud? No, therefore you should punish both, and get a phone with GrapheneOS or Linux.
So why didn’t you just say something like Look into Graphene OS or Linux in the first place?
Why did you assume I was “nullifying action”?
Why did you assume I was “nullifying action”?
Mostly your action nullifying attitude.
I shit on Tesla on a routine basis, and get zero pushback. No bitching about other vehicle producers who also are Trumpdy Dumptys…, zero.
I say don’t buy naziPhones, and people come out of the woodwork with every conceivable devil’s advocate angle, and basically maximize tangentiality.
Anything other than reinforcing the message of not buying apple:
Be mad at everyone, such that you apply pressure to no one.
You know, nullifying action.
OK, so you had an incorrect perception of a comment, but it’s not your fault. No, surely it must be everyone else that’s at fault for *checks notes* “nullifying action”, whatever the fuck that made-up nonsense verbiage means. not only that, but then your pet attack dog comes along and somehow twists that into me defending pedophiles.
idk, maybe the problem here people is contorting themselves into human pretzels so they can leap to nonsensical conclusions.
No, they’re pointing out the chilling effect of shitting on the topic.
You’re the kind of fuckwit that would say Chris Hansen does no good against predators because he’s one guy doing a small set of stings… You’re the kind of guy who’d shit on a compromise policy that’s otherwise still a step in the right direction. You’re the kind of guy to make good the enemy of great.
and you have the gall to use insults when YOU are the one committing the social faux pas…
Pathetic. If you’re going to point out flaws, be constructive with it. Otherwise it is still on YOU if someone assumes negative intent from unconstructive criticism.
I’m not particularly concerned with what some random person on the internet thinks of me, so I’m not going to bother reading all that. But feel free to go off, just do it to my hand because the block I just gave you means I’m not listening.
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