FDO's conduct enforcement actions regarding Vaxry
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Like y’all keep posting about it, praising it, giving it free advertisement, and what not.

But the dev is a fascist, the discord server is a fascist bar, and the project thus is fascist.

I’ve met people who were harassed, I browsed through now deleted messages of Vaxry using slurrs and more.

So I wonder is if the people who post constantly about it know and are complicit, or just don’t know and would act otherwise?

It gets tiring to see the project be given “fame” when I know the roots of the plants are founded in toxicity & abuse.

    • Libre Extremist@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      3 hours ago

      My morals come from my religion and not from some arbitrary standards set by a Western supremacist, who thinks their culture is superior to everyone else and the rest of the world is “primitive”. Promoting a tool by itself is not morally wrong. It seems like some people have a very low opinion about other people. They think that others will not be able to differentiate between a tool and the morals of its makers. I am sorry that I have a much higher opinion about adults.

      • apotheotic (she/her)@beehaw.orgEnglish
        11·
        3 hours ago

        Who is the Western supremacist in this scenario and what relationship do they have to morality? Kinda makes or breaks your whole argument

        • comfy@lemmy.ml
          84·
          14 hours ago

          Why is it wrong to promote the things a shitty person makes?

          It’s FOSS, so using it doesn’t give them money. On the other hand, a user might voluntarily donate if they’re unaware.

          One might claim they’re being given a platform in the community by people promoting their product, but on the other hand I hear more loudly that they’re toxic, fascist and banned from various places.

          Anything else to add?

          • apotheotic (she/her)@beehaw.orgEnglish
            62·
            8 hours ago

            I don’t have a lot that I would add, but I would just assert that the “user might donate if they’re unaware” is a big enough reason on its own. Even if you promote it alongside a caveat mentioning the moral shortcomings, the people who start using it because of your promotion might also promote it, but there’s no guarantee they’ll keep the caveat (in fact I’d consider it likely that people who will use the product despite the caveat are exceptionally likely to neglect to mention anything in their promotion).

            And to your second point I’d say that its pretty indisputable that they are being given a platform, as evidenced by the platform they have. It is a platform that is, as you mention, not subscribed to by a lot of people with a moral backbone, but it is significant.

            If I had to give a one-liner for why it is bad to promote the things a shitty person makes, I’d say “its a bit of a Nazi bar thing”.

            • hendrik@palaver.p3x.deEnglish
              51·
              7 hours ago

              And in addition to that: It’s also kind of a big thing that they get an audience. The more people use the projects, the bigger the audience. They’ll get a Discord and people will join because of the project, people will start reading their blog because of the attention via the software… People will maintain and package their software, or use it, or contribute to it… Directly resulting in interactions with the group which develops a project. That’s a direct consequence of the project getting attention. And “promoting” is a way to draw attention.