I’m a teacher and our division just “upgraded” to W11 with a new version of outlook that is basically a web app on desktop. Several times a day my laptop comes to a complete crawl while Teams decides to open itself. Can’t open or close programs, Firefox won’t register mouse clicks, nothing. Graphical glitches appear al the time with menu bars and task bars disappearing regularly, requiring force quitting the app or logging out of the desktop.
When I first switched to Linux I assumed my experience would be like this. But now it’s the other way around.
Rant over.
TL; DR
My experience between Windows and Linux is not much different with how often I have issues. But given the choice I much more prefer my Linux experience.I hate Windows just as much as the next guy, but this comment section smells a little of confirmation bias.
From my experiece (web dev in a mainly MS branded stack) Windows mostly just works. Yes there are horrendous design, UX choices forced upon me, but I can usually force the OS to do what I need and how I need it.
Now comparing it to my home Pop setup it also mostly just works. There are occasional freezes that require a restart and such, but I wouldn’t say it’s much more different from Windows.
Now what does differ a lot is that I don’t need to fight the OS to do shit. It’s way better productivitywise, when I know what I’m doing. Which is deffinetly not the case everytime.
That last paragraph is exactly what i feel. In Windows it started to feel more and more like I’m fighting against Microsoft and have to be on edge all the time whereas if in Linux something doesn’t work it’s not because of ill intentions of the people behind the OS.
I had lots of issues on Pop. Switched over to Manjaro and its much better for me. Laptop runs cooler, doesnt slow down, etc.
I’d recommend switching off Manjaro to pure arch or something like endeavour or cachyos, manjaro is not really considered the most stable arch distro
im not gonna change anything rn. I had tried Mint, OpenSuse, Debian, Pop Etc all trying to find an OS that had proper touchpad drivers for my laptop. The touchpad works on them but will randomly get very sluggish and have really bad input lag. Manjaro so far is the only one that has been working for me so unless i can figure out what magic they did to make it work, or if i have some other issue i dont see myself switching.
Pop setup it also mostly just works. There are occasional freezes that require a restart and such
Weird. I used Pop for 3-4 years and not once did it freeze, stutter, or require a restart that wasn’t related to an update.
For me the pop shop always froze. At least that thought me how to use the terminal. But even regular GNOME software was miles ahead of their shop…
Oh… Now that you mention the shop, you’re right. Mine would freeze up too. I stopped using it, which is why I forgot about it.
And here I am looking to move away from Linux after they started rejecting contributions for political reasons.
They removed maintainers that work for Russian corporations, they are not blocking submissions from any Russian citizen.
That doesn’t invalidate my statement though.
The reason I replied is because of the “submissions” part. They aren’t doing that, everyone can still submit code that might get accepted. What they did was remove some of the people in charge of deciding what gets accepted from the team.
I think that entire comment is actually incorrect. My understanding is that they did not “remove” any maintainers, but actually rejected patches from Russian citizens (because of their employer), and also removed some Russian names from the maintainers list who already have code in the kernel.
My main gripe with windows is that it’s gradually turning to adware/spyware after MS decided to go for that sweet data collection revenue. That also means a shift in the focus of the development of the OS, as it’s not being developed for the benefit of the users anymore.
That, and software development processed are more tedious. Although today I’m sure I could find a workflow that works with WSL or vcpkg.
Edit: Oh, and everything turning to webapps on the desktop. Love staring at white canvas while it waits for a server response.
Gradually? By 10’s launch, it was already adware/spyware. 11 is not even attempting to hide it, if you look at it objectively past the PR.
Yeah, fair enough. I’ve just noticed that a clean setup requires more and more workarounds in regedit and policy editor etc. Updates reenabling stuff like that is just infuriating
When I started my new job I got a pretty unrestricted Windows machine, so I decided to try and use that. WSL is pretty impressive and I managed to work with Emacs and some other tools installed in it until Windows decided stuff should run way slower now. Magit got especially slow doing any git operation.
That weekend I installed Linux (with permission) and it’s perfect now.
There was an issue, don’t know how relevant now, with WSL 2 that caused awfully slow host filesystem operations. Not sure if it got fixed by now
I kinda wish more pcs shipped with linux.
I use both but windows 11 has been generally stable and visual artifact free for me even more than windows 10. Like i have never seen BSOD on 11 yet but on 10 it was regular.
Btw did you tweak it to remove bloat and crapware? Windows will break if you do it even if the bloat removing tool call it stable.
You can still use the classic version of Outlook, that comes with latest Office. It is literally called “Outlook (classic)” in the start menu.
I have to use SharePoint on a daily basis.
We pray for you
You’re fucked.
For me, at work it’s more MS sharepoint and MS dynamic (+oracle clod shit of course) that fk me over on a daily basis - that’s possibly due to the way our IT people don’t seem to know how to use them or set them up - and won’t let us query(just SELECT) the dynamics tables directly using SQL for whatever reason. (i suspect we have to pay MS to acces our own data). And of course things like MS excel being used to mangle data by default all the time - yeah i know always use power query import . . . just everything takes six extra steps and the easy way is always the worst way.
W10 is mostly okay. I mean it’s slow and hard to use, blasts the cpu fan all the time, is still annoying with updates, and I have to “right click open with” to open anything in the application that i want (even when there is only one native appllication for the file format). You get used to working around that shit.
That is just not true for sharepoint and other MS apps, it gets worse, and as soon as you think you get used to a workaround for one thing, something else changes or an old thing resurfaces. and dynamic has just “upgraded” the colour scheme of the status colum so that there is no contrast between the background and the text. black text on white background, good enough for every other column, but no upgrade that one to black on dark blue, thanks bill you’re a F-ing-C. how do they screw up things like that as a bajillion dollar company.
So I was going to say that W10 is more or less stable and it is other MS stuff that I hate more. that is probably true. but actually sitting down and writing out the above, W10 is still pretty horrible to . . . whether it’s our IT or MS itself, it’s shit.
I much prefer my home linuxes, it is just as stable (for me) - and just so much easier to use - and most of all it is quieter on the fan. So much more relaxing.
W11 had better be “not worse” or i’ll probably have to quit.
For dynamics you have to ask MS for access to the sql back end. Then its granted for several hours as read only. That’s why you have to use synapse link to a data lake etc.
I don’t know what a “synapse link” is i’m sure we’d not be allowed access to that; though I can think of at least one manager who would have parrotted that for a few monts if they’d heard it; “data lake” was also one of those for a while, it seems to have given way to “lakehouse” now. I just want to put on concrete boots, jump off the boat and hope it’s deep enough.
As an admin who manages windows devices, it’s not only a pain for the end users. I will readily admit that the management tools are quite extensive and somewhat easy to use, but they’re damn near impossible to debug when they don’t work, and that’s quite often. Gpo’s often refuse to apply without reason, those ads on the Lock Screen? You can remove those if you pay for enterprise or education edition. Running pro? Nope you get ads.
Heres a programming (merge sort?) trick applied to troubleshooting GPOs: turn off half the policies in the GP, did the issue go away? if yes its in the turned off half, if no, turn off another half of the active policies, repeat
I spend a lot of my workday looking at windows that have turned white and “not responding”, or clicking on things and waiting a minute to see whether the click worked, or waiting for the Start menu to allow me to type, or waiting for the indexing service to spare me a little bit of my computer for my own use, etc. Then I come home to Linux and remember how computers can actually be fast and satisfying to use.
Oh W11 start menu is so damn slow… I usuall smash Win and then immediately start typing the Application I need. After the Windows 11 upgrade, the menu chokes on the first two letters leaving me with having to redo everything slowly.
When teams is just doing chat things, it’s fine. But the fact that it’s the only program that doesn’t remember which monitor it is supposed to be on, and never remembers the show on all desktop settings, drives me insane. Not to mention that it seems to restart itself multiple time per day and makes me fix its location each time.
This is why I insisted to not have two monitors on my work desk. I don’t use it because it introduces so much more problems.
1 out of many problems less I have to worry about on Win11.
Btw., virtual desktop switching on Win11 is very slow. It needs time to register an then finally starts a stuttering transistion to the next desktop. This laptop has a 3 year old i7 in it. Switching virtual desktops on Gnome would run very smooth and responsive on it. I tested it even with VirtualBox with that Win11 as a host OS and GPU acceleration enabled: smoother! Only minor lags.
Oh yeah, I have noticed that the virtual desktop switching on windows 11 sucks. It’s extra shitty if you set a different wallpaper for each one.
I am glad that I’ve set only a solid color. <_<
We have Linux workstations at work…and these can only be used to access a remote desktop of a Windows 10 virtual machine. 👍
My boss told me to get a laptop and I’d be reimbursed, so I got a System76 with Fedora. “How are you going to use (company proprietary software that only works on Windows)?” I told him I could run it on wine (and I have). But he ended up assigning me a Windows 365 cloud, so now I have a very nice laptop that just works, and I only fire up the cloud crap if I really need to.
Suffice it to say that I’m the only upper management member that barely interacts with the IT department, I don’t need to 🤣🤣
Yeah now add Dynamics to all that and you get my day. Eyeroll
We’re being forced to move everyone to W11 by the end of the year. It’s gonna be hell.
My company already did - it was a shitshow and my laptop sucks even more now.
