The church in Discovery.
I am convinced that they put it there without having an explanation yet, then forgot they did it when they made the explanation.
Ugh, Discovery just made no sense in a million ways. My (least) favorite is how Control was sentient AI like a century before Data was a thing, or even M-5. That and every time Section 31 was acknowledged as Starfleet black ops instead of a rogue agency of assholes.
Let’s not forget the part where they want to go in the future to stop control because they think they can’t destroy it, then control gets destroyed, then they go in the future anyway.
Also, I don’t think any star trek depicted section 31 in a way that didn’t make the show worse, but Discovery really went the extra mile
I think DS9 did Section 31 right, as the bad guys to be foiled, as anathema to Starfleet’s ideals, but yeah every other show seems to miss the point.
The best part of DS9’s Section 31 was that Section 31 knew they were the bad guys too.
Yeah, and they also seem believable as a rogue clandestine agency that the Federation is ok with having on “their side”.
Unlike the Obsidian Order or the Tal Shiar, the Federation has plausible deniability regarding the use of Section 31. Few powers seem to even know the agency exists.
And unlike the Obsidian Order or the Tal Shiar, Section 31 does a good job at being a clandestine agency. The Obsidian Order and Tal Shiar’s response to the Founders was to build a lot of ships to bomb a homeworld, something outside their expertise that gets them destroyed. Section 31, instead, genetically engineers a virus that attacks the Founders, a virus so effective that the cure is used as a bargaining chip in getting the Dominion to stop the war.
I mean, they were still trying to show it as James Bond-cool (which I mean, works if you see that James Bond is pretty problematic, but most people don’t)… They were shown as a bit evil, but also as the “cool, edgy dudes that do what needs to be done”, but other shows managed to do worse somehow.
Well, Lower Decks maybe almost improved on that formula? And with a fun little joke about the black badges, too.
All I know is that Sisko, Bashir, and O’Brien all identify Section 31 as non-Starfleet assholes that need to be stopped at all costs. Discovery has Pike practically saluting Section 31 genocidal Empress Georgiou and revering the black badges in a way I’ll never forgive it for.
What? It was explained that the church and the people in it were yanked from certain destruction in WWIII to Terralysium by the red angel. It is spelled out in the season arc.
You don’t like Disco, fine. But your lack of attention to the story is not the show’s fault.
The red angel, who is supposed to be either Burnham or her mother, and neither of them had a reason to go back in time to save a random church, and teleport it to a random planet. Also absolutely no mention of how they would achieve such a thing.
Gabrielle basically used the church as an experiment in altering history.
Time’s motion depends on the observer, on the action. The people I was able to move from Earth to Terralysium, as they call my planet, are thriving. Their survival means that time is fluid. The future can be changed. Maybe the past, as well.
I enjoyed a couple of seasons of Ben Sisko’s heavily-implied-to-be-dead dad.
How’s that?
It’s all in past tense until he shows up in the flesh.
“Emissary”: How about letting me cook dinner for you tonight? My father was a gourmet chef. I will make for you his famous aubergine stew.
“A Man Alone”: Every night in my house, my dad insisted that we have supper together as a family. He would try out his new recipes on us. He used to call us his test tasters.
“The Alternate”: When my father became ill, I can remember how small and weak he looked lying there in the bed. He’d been so strong, so independent. It always seemed to me there was nothing that he couldn’t do. But in the end, I realised that there was nothing that he could do, and nothing I could do to help him.
“Paradise”: Well, my father was a chef. He grew all his own vegetables. My brothers and I were sent out to the gardens every day.
have to open it in a new tab to see it more clearly idk why.
Warp 10 and salamanders. Great examples 👌
But what about TNG 7x09, the one where we learn that warp travel damages subspace and that a warp speed limit is the solution?
Later, the Federation Council issues a new directive limiting all Federation vessels to a speed of warp five except in extreme emergencies.
Laughs in Janeway
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_of_Nature_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)
Isnt the warp speed limit part of the in universe reason that Voyager has new variable nacelle geometry?
Deep Space Nine is supposed to host up to 7000 lifeforms, but the infirmary is tiny and has three biobeds max.
It’s not a continuity error as such, but I’m a big fan of all the technologies that by rights should have completely upended galactic civilization but then just get forgotten.
The Genesis device should be an appalling superweapon that would change the face of war.
And then those missiles from Generations that can kill an entire solar system should, too.
And the time on TNG that they stumbled on a weird transporter trick that could make it so no one would ever need to die of old age ever again.
And the Tribble blood that cures death.
And so forth.
Presumably every warp capable species would have the ability to construct a few thousand hydrogen bombs (or weapons even more powerful) so would have the capability of wiping out life on a planet if they wanted to. So the Genesis device wouldn’t be a thing that would change the face of war, the problem was that a crazy person had such a weapon.
Though Star Trek is kinda hand wavy around nuclear weapons in general… maybe photon torpedoes are more powerful than an H-Bomb? But it doesn’t feel that way. At any rate, Starfleet, the Klingons, Romulans, etc. all have technology to wipe out a planet because we have that technology in the present day. They just don’t do that I guess? To me that’s the real continuity error.
And the time on TNG that they stumbled on a weird transporter trick that could make it so no one would ever need to die of old age ever again.
Another time a transporter accident led to a copy of Riker (with all of his memories) both on the ship and on the planet. You could recreate those conditions and create endless copies of people. The Federation wouldn’t do that because of morals and stuff, but the Dominion wouldn’t give a shit. They could have their best squad of Jem Hader stand on a transporter pad and beam down endless copies of them down onto a planet. They’re cloning people anyway, so why not take it to the next level?
The transporter is just endless continuity problems. Shields are down, oh no they’re beaming over boarding parties! Why are they doing that instead of using the transporting the crew of the enemy ship into their brig (if they’re good guys) or into space (if they’re bad guys)?
I can suggest an explanation - conservation of mass/ energy.
let’s assume that Lt Riker’s ship had to use up at least 40kg of antimatter (and 40kg of matter, but that’s cheap) to generate the energy for that transporter operation that produced a whole extra 80kg Riker.
that’s a bare minimum with perfectly efficient engines and transporters, so it was probably well over 70kg of antimatter.
the Dominion decides that a few years of growing and training new troops is far less expensive than spending so much antimatter.
you ever read bad space. he has a great one where they have something like a transporter so they start remaking everything but the brain to a younger pattern.
Don’t forget Doctor Giger’s Cellular Regeneration and Entertainment Chamber!
I’m watching VOY at the moment, and it makes no sense how Seven of Nine’s parents would have made contact with and been assimilated by the Borg, decades before Q threw the Enterprise-D across the galaxy to make (what we assumed to be) first contact with them.
In “Q who”, meeting the Borg is portrayed like blood in the water — now they have learned of the Federation, they will not stop until you are assimilated. Except oh wait, they did assimilate those three humans several years before, so they would have already known about the Federation.
Even TNG is weird about that, since their method of attacking colonies is called out as being identical to the attacks along the Neutral Zone at the end of season one, so the Borg had been operating in the Federation and Romulans’ back yards for a while.
Yyyyeahhhh… 😬 That’s not exactly planned out.
Also, the idea that Borg are fine with other beings running around their ships as long as you don’t point a phaser at them, or other aggressive gesturing I suppose. That’s out the window by the time of VOY “Dark frontier”, Janeway and Tuvok are carrying phaser rifles at the ready all around the Borg sphere.
Weren’t the Borg originally meant to be those worm-parasite things?
That belief stems back to the publication of the Star Trek Chronology (2nd edition), and it might be true, but I’ve never actually seen direct confirmation from any of the writers involved.
Klingons look very different through the various shows. And more than just costuming progress of the time.
TOS:
TNG-era, the one I think most people would think of:
Discovery:
And the latest show, Academy, reverts back to TNG-era style Klingons.
Is the cannon explanation for tos to tng change being a skin disease or something that has infected the whole population?
Enterprise established it as a result of Klingons experimenting with human augment DNA and it getting out of hand. It probably didn’t need to be addressed in universe, but I thought it was a fun retcon.
The warp scale changed. The Enterprise exceeded warp 10 several times in the Original Series. Then that infamous episode of Voyager claims that warp 10 is a theoretical limit which is difficult to reach and literally impossible to exceed.
Scotty was simply that good at tweaking the engines. That, or the crew were just playing to Kirk’s ego, pretending to go super fast à la "this amp goes to 11” while they trundled along at warp 7.
Moving at 10+ in TOS was always due to some alien influence or something. The Enterprise engines were definitely not capable of those speeds under normal conditions.
With that said, in TOS, warp 10+ is just “you are moving really fast”. But in VOY, warp 10 is “you are literally occupying every point in space simultaneously” and there is nothing past warp 10. It is a complete reimagining of the ceiling to warp speed. In TOS, it seemed there was no theoretical maximum warp speed, just like how there is no theoretical maximum to kilometers per hour. But by VOY, warp was capped at 10, and once you reached that speed, you became a salamander because reasons.
The best fan explanation for the retcon that I have seen to justify why the scale appears to differ in-universe is that they are genuinely different units. That at some time between TOS/VOY, scientists made some new breakthrough in their understanding of warp mechanics and discovered that there actually was a ceiling to warp speed. As such, they decided to change the standard warp units, making “warp 10” this new ceiling and everything else is just a fraction of that. According to this logic, when Scotty says “Wow, we are traveling at warp 30!” he is speaking in TOS-era warp units, which might translate to just something like “warp 8” in VOY-era units.
The warp scale did indeed change. I Actually seem to remember that was adressed in TNG.
Also the stardate naming convention changed after TOS.
Voyager fired 123 of its 38 photon torpedos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIGxMENwq1k
Nu uh, the casing can be replicated and the anti matter can be siphoned from the ships engines.
Source: Star Trek Adventures
