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minus-squaredavel@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up0·edit-21 year agoIn some languages “advertising” and “propaganda” are the same word, and not for nothing. Bernays worked in both advertising and politics. It’s the same set of tools whether its to sell cigarettes or war.
minus-squareJohnDClay@sh.itjust.workslinkfedilinkarrow-up0·1 year agoWould all rhetoric (persuading people) be propaganda? I think that makes the word useless.
minus-squareNSRXN@lemmy.dbzer0.comlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up0·1 year agoit’s not useless if it describes something.
minus-squareJohnDClay@sh.itjust.workslinkfedilinkarrow-up0·1 year agoIt’s describing all communication, good and bad. This conversation we’re having right now would be propaganda.
minus-squarePolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkarrow-up0·1 year agoYou’re trying to influence someone’s understanding of the term propganda, which makes it propganda.
minus-squareJohnDClay@sh.itjust.workslinkfedilinkarrow-up0·1 year agoAnd you’re communicating, which makes your comment propaganda. Or is it only propaganda when it’s to political ends?
minus-squareNSRXN@lemmy.dbzer0.comlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up0·1 year agoturns out, everything is political, so, yes, it’s all propaganda.
minus-squareJohnDClay@sh.itjust.workslinkfedilinkarrow-up0·1 year agoSo I think that definition is useless, since there’s nothing that isn’t propaganda.
minus-squaredavel@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up0·1 year agoRhetorical exchange between two people is one thing, mass persuasion is quite another, though they are not entirely unrelated.
minus-squareJohnDClay@sh.itjust.workslinkfedilinkarrow-up0·1 year agoSo would any speech to a bunch of people be propaganda? What makes something propaganda?
In some languages “advertising” and “propaganda” are the same word, and not for nothing. Bernays worked in both advertising and politics. It’s the same set of tools whether its to sell cigarettes or war.
Would all rhetoric (persuading people) be propaganda? I think that makes the word useless.
it’s not useless if it describes something.
It’s describing all communication, good and bad. This conversation we’re having right now would be propaganda.
You’re trying to influence someone’s understanding of the term propganda, which makes it propganda.
And you’re communicating, which makes your comment propaganda. Or is it only propaganda when it’s to political ends?
turns out, everything is political, so, yes, it’s all propaganda.
So I think that definition is useless, since there’s nothing that isn’t propaganda.
have you read Foucault?
Rhetorical exchange between two people is one thing, mass persuasion is quite another, though they are not entirely unrelated.
So would any speech to a bunch of people be propaganda? What makes something propaganda?