America is already worse than Russia, you guys just don’t remember recent history
70k dead in Gaza, half of them children. Russia didn’t do this.
2 things
- It says Nazi Germany not Russia
- Don’t imply I’m American, ew
What happens to a MFer with mental illness. This guy.
Knowing the truth is mental illness. Right.
Is it so hard to hold in your mind the concept that multiple countries may be evil?
Or are you just saying one is worse than the other? If so, why even? They both need dismantling.
Hitler invaded Poland to plunder the country to stave off another impending economic collapse of Germany, thanks to his runaway excessive government spending. In that sense, he was distracting the Germans from being revealed on how bad of an administrator he was. Trump invaded Venezuela and wants to annex Greenland to distract people from the fact that he is a pedophile. And that’s a helluva weirder reason to go to war for distraction…
Don’t overthink it, US economy isn’t that great either.
Economists said that Kamala was a better choice but people thought otherwise.
The same economists who serve the system that brought us imperialism and wars. The same economists who think Capital expansion and military interventions are ‘necessary evil’ in the GDP.
Yeah pretty sure they dgaf about the files. And everyone knows what’s inbthem already.
The economy built just to wage war needed a war, that’s the reasoning you’re going with for why Hitler was expansionary???
Trump doesn’t care if people think he’s a pedophile he just wants power and people giving him attention. Or just to have a landmark for himself, see putting name on anything.
Most people don’t realise Nazi Germany was on a brink of another economic collapse before Poland was invaded.
But economics was not why they started wars it was just to grow and expand. The nazis only used we’ll improve the economy to gain power and build a war machine.
Which is also why it was a shit economy not because of the government spending
The Nazis remilitarized which spurred short term economic growth, which was then used to pay for the extremely generous social welfare benefits to the Germans, who were appreciative of this because they were deeply traumatised by hyperinflation of the Great Depression. But this excessive government spending is turning the German wallets inside out; and the plunder of conquered nations gave Nazi Germany some needed cash injection to keep their economy going. If you don’t believe me, look up Hjalmar Schacht, Hitler’s economic minister, who warned the fuhrer that the state’s finances were nearly out in the late 1930s. Schacht’s savvy financial acumen had kept the Nazi German economy running longer than it should have been. He was dubbed the “dark wizard of finance”, partly because his confiscation of Jewish assets, before the war, yielded the Nazis much needed finances.
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Liberal finally finds out “Fascism is capitalism in decay” and yet doesn’t realize it.
Well, nazi Germany had extermination camps
As bad as the US is noe, were not quite there yet but it wouldn’t surprise me if Cheeto will try and rival it because of course he has to be #1 so e also will try to e worse than Hitler
i love the way so many people want to hold up the Third Reich as the standard for fascist evil that must be perfectly matched or else it’s just not bad enough. jk i don’t love it.
the Nazis took inspiration from U.S. treatment of Natives and Black ppl. in fact, some high ranking Nazis thought the U.S. took it a bit too far.
there are mass forced sterilizations going on in the U.S. all the time - i say “all the time” because it’s safe to assume that a very small percentage of these ops are ever brought to public attention, yet there are still a lot of them. in 2020, a whistleblower reported mass sterilizations at an ICE detention facility (concentration camp). in 2013 (i think), the California prison system was caught doing it to incarcerated women. in many states, it’s perfectly legal to sterilize disabled women and girls against their will. and while it’s definitely NOT legal, poor women are sterilized against their will by their doctors pretty much daily - eugenics is the basis of our healthcare system and our doctors lean heavily fash, just like they did in Nazi Germany. that’s because they are cut from the same cloth.
in the U.S., the repression of disabled people, homeless people, people who use drugs, and incarcerated people has long since reached the extermination phase. but somehow even that is not bad enough for y’all. most Americans either don’t see it or they think it’s good.
What do you think happened to the indigenous people?
What do you think they’re doing in all those ICE facilities whose watchdogs have been dismantled? If they’re not there yet they’re surely gearing up to go there.
The US prison system is already a slave labor racket
We’re not there yet, and I hope we don’t go that far.
Europeans are overreacting, and Americans (particularly our Democrat representatives) are underreacting. That’s where we are at right now.
It’s a weird thing to see people who don’t know how the US works flip out, while also watching tons of elected representatives pretend nothing is going on. Then there’s the MAGA people… Holy shit are they delusional.
Honestly, with the lack of democratic party strength I’m honestly starting to wonder if everyone who is supporting change isn’t just put into the shit list social media algorithm so that they just can’t get any traction or coalition going. Like we are so sensitive to what we see on social media it honestly wouldn’t surprise me to learn that all the family support they would normally have is eroded by depressed family members who have just been destroyed by the algorithm. In 2011 Facebook was showing how they could alter people’s feed to change peoples moods based on what they are being shown and in what order. That was a long time ago and they stopped publishing their findings. Who knows how sophisticated they have been able to be now. Like why is Walz stepping down? He wasn’t involved in the fraud, why is he giving up the fight?
I wouldn’t say Europe are overreacting. This particular post, “worse than nazi Germany”, yes, but atm they are being a bit too complicit in things like the US bombing and kidnapping the head of a foreign nation…
However the US isn’t literally building camps with the explicit purpose of mass murder and genocide. Don’t get me wrong, they’re still doing a lot of nazi and atrocious shit, but distinguishing the nuance is important.
the US isn’t literally building camps with the explicit purpose of mass murder and genocide
This is a complete mischaracterization of how camps began and evolved in nazi germany while also downplaying the horror of ice detention centers and mass deportations to foreign concentration camps. I’m sure you’ve heard of CECOT. Ever heard this quote?
“We, as the Security Cabinet, will ensure that the penalties are high enough so that none of those who enter CECOT will ever leave walking; they will only be able to leave in a coffin”
But hey, that’s just coming from the Minister of Justice and Public Security of El Salvador. If tens of thousands of people are condemned to die there, is that not mass murder? Keep in mind, this, from the us government’s perspective, is a service they are paying for. Also, this is only one of many arrangements the us has for mass deportation. Please keep in mind, the nazi camps were certainly not all in Germany.
Basically, you’re blurring a whole lot of lines here with your comment.
Israel is way ahead
Israel is downstream of the US. That’s like saying Texas is worse.
Can read. Not upset. We probably kill more innocent s since the fall of the third riech then they have.
The Nazis were inspired by what went on in America. Genocide, concentration camps, segregation, forced sterilization, taking the children, etc
We need socialism
Replacing a violent country with the system that historically always led to military dictatorships does not sound like a recipe for success.
You don’t need socialism, you need northern European style capitalism
This guy doesn’t know what socialism is and is too scared of bogeymen to learn.
You should take a drive through Eastern Europe and see how real that boogeyman is
I’ve been! Met some lovely people. Saw some beautiful places. You should try leaving your home city just once in your sheltered closeted little life.
The world is not what Fox News is telling you it is.
Lmao, I am European. Wtf would I need to watch Fox news for?
Sorry bud but painting a stereotype is not really defending your position. Did CNN tell you that that was OK?
Well I figured you were either some dipshit from the flyover counties or, far more likely, an employee of a troll farm. I figured I’d give you the benefit of the doubt.
Oh yeah, all very good points. Maybe you can also call me a sexist fascist bigoted incel, that’ll really show off your knowledge on the subject
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Eastern Europe hasn’t been socialist for 3 decades. What you see is the devastation of capitalism and western imperialism plundering formerly functional states.
You could argue that they’ve never been socialist, because like every other attempt it just devolved into military dictatorships. The effects of that attempt are still present today. Take any political or social map of Germany and you can still see where the old borders were
No, you cannot make that argument, because it isn’t true. Socialist states have had the working classes in control of the state, and this is proven with hard evidence from the opening of the soviet archives confirming leftist documentation and reporting within the SU. As for the former GDR, the communists were purged in show trials by the west, which never genuinely de-Nazified. That’s why there’s a far-right reaction there.
Mate, even the majority of socialists disagree with this view, let alone someone who is critical of socialism.
The USSR was a dictatorship full of nepotism and corruption, where you could get jailed for the dumbest reasons, ranging from being gay to practicing karate. None of these rules were established by workers and all of them were created by the bureaucracy.
The workers were the people who ended the USSR
The last anything anyone needs is European anything. European capitalism brought the world the USA, two world wars, and imperialism. They’re on a 80 year experiment of having a small amount of welfare but it has never been enough and that is about to end when they remilitarize
Colonialism was not capitalism, there’s nothing capitalist about taking prisoners and stealing land for government charted monopolies.
Meanwhile northern Europe has the highest standard of living, healthcare quality, accessibility and life expectancy. And all of it is being paid for with the spoils of capitalism
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Colonialism was absolutely an aspect of capitalism. You are correct that these high standards of living are paid for by capitalism, just that it’s stolen value from the labor of the global south through imperialism, not through European labor.
Private property and freedom of association are core aspects of capitalism, colonialism did none of those things. Capitalism didn’t arrive in the colonies until the colonists left.
You’re confusing values espoused by liberalism with the consequences of economies dominated by private property. Colonialism was driven by capitalism, and justified by liberalism. Further, I am talking about ongoing imperialism, not just colonialism.
just what exactly is liberal about invading foreign countries and submitting them to production quota’s at the threat of death?
Slaves were considered private property in the USAmerica, right?
Was USAmerica a colony during their civil war?Private property alone doesn’t make capitalism, by that logic the ancient civilzations of egypt and sumer would already be capitalist. Capitalism is a collection of ideas, from the right to own private property to freedom of association, none of which is compatible with slavery.
Which is a big reason why the capitalist countries were the first to outlaw slavery.
The US Empire is still a settler-colony, to be clear.
You’re seriously going to tell me that Victorian imperialism wasn’t capitalism? That the rape of India wasn’t capitalism? That the Belgian congo wasn’t operated by capitalist investors? You’re ahistorical and an idiot. You think the Algerian colonies weren’t operated by European capitalists? Nazi Germany is a great example of European capitalism as well.
Your highest standard of living is based on capitalist exploitation of the entire world and the working class. Your sick, violent, white supremacist countries are about to flush it’s social democracy directly down the toilet to go to war with Russia too. Guns or Butter.
You’re delusional.
Talk with some actual capitalists, and they’ll all tell you that their core values are pretty much the opposite of whatever you’re describing here.
Capitalism is simply the most successful system in the world, so it’s an easy target for edgy teens who want something to blame for their failures.
But please do tell me how I’m exploiting the world, or how I’m violent or racist. Maybe you can call me an fascist incel so the word salad has all the cool things kids say nowadays
The only word I have for you is dipshit. Fuck off.
Dude’s on another planet xD
wtf 💀
I speak with liberals all the time, you’re again confusing the values espoused by liberalism to justify capitalism with the actual material system as it exists in the real world. As for imperialism, it functions as follows:
-The presence of monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life.
-The merging of bank capital with industrial capital into finance capital controlled by a financial oligarchy.
-The export of capital as distinguished from the simple export of commodities.
-The formation of international monopolist capitalist associations (cartels) and multinational corporations.
-The domination and exploitation of other countries by militaristic imperialist powers, now through neocolonialism.
-The territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers.
The global north, Europe included, uses this export of capital to super-exploit foreign labor for super-profits. It also engages in unequal exchange, where the global south is prevented from moving up the value chain in production, allowing the global north to charge monopoly prices for commodities produced in the same labor hours.
Y’know, I was expecting a word salad of being called an incel, instead this is just a word salad of calling everything a monopoly. Half of the things you point to here are governmental actions, not capitalism. Capitalism is an economic system, not an ideology, it doesn’t control what the government should or shouldn’t do. And none of it even relates to the topic at hand, which was colonialism.
And financial oligarchies are 100% just a hallucination, prettied up in fancy words so it sounds like you’re making an argument. You do not need permission from an oligarchy to make financial transactions.
If the global north would stop trading with the global south, to “fix” this supposed exploitation, people like you would be the first to start crying about how an embargo on the south is preventing them from moving up the value chain in production. There is no logic here, just accusations. You have nothing to show but an attitude
Brazil follows the great northern European style of capitalism and this shit doesn’t work if you don’t exploit the global south.
Brazil? Their maximum tax bracket isn’t even half of what I’m currently paying in taxes, and I’m not even in the highest bracket
Socialism has always led to working class control of the state. It’s a recipe for the uplifting of the working classes. European style capitalism relies on imperialism to fund their safety nets, and as imperialism is weakening so too are the safety nets, which is why austerity politics and the far-right are on the rise in Europe.
Please, do tell me more about… let’s say… the luxembourgish imperialism. Did they conquer any new nation recently?
Luxembourg’s role within western imperialism is as a tax haven. It’s a micronation that gets wealthy off of finance capital and being a glorified and legalized money laundering scheme.
So imperialism is… not taxing people? That’s a very fluid take on it
No? Imperialism is as I already laid out for you, a process by which the global north, dominated by monopoly finance capital, exports capital to the global south to super-exploit foreign labor for super-profits. Luxembourg’s role in that international system is as a foreign tax haven for the imperialists.
imperialism, state policy, practice, or advocacy of extending power and dominion, especially by direct territorial acquisition or by gaining political and economic control of other areas.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/imperialism
You know you can just look up these thing right?
Not taxing your citizens, is not imperialism. Luxembourg is not an imperialist country.
The process that you’re describing is called free trade. As soon as the global south doesn’t want to partake in this trade, they can stop. And Luxembourg wouldn’t have anything to say on that matter.
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They’ll have to do massive genocide and slaughter millions and millions of people across Europe for them to be remembered in such a manner.
They may indeed end up doing just that, and they may even “win”, but we have nukes in Europe and if we’re going down we’re taking them with us, that’s for sure.
The US already did a massive genocide - 99%+ of the native population.
It also worked another population to death for decades - Chattel slavery
Another genocide was commited on the Philipines after ignoring their declaration of independence and invading - a third of the population was killed.
But you’re right, as long as its not white people who are suffering first worlders don’t care.
The people of the global south have already been subject to coubtless genocides and imperialism from the US and Europe, though. Europe isn’t the world, it’s a fraction of humanity.
American Business has bought in. Here is Hilton hotels distancing themselves from one of their hotels that turned away ICE agents.
Don’t expect corporations to take a moral stance. They will always chose what they consider is more profitable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_involved_in_the_Holocaust - this is just for the Holocaust specifically. A list of companies collaborating with the Nazi regime would simply coincide with all the existing businesses at the time.
Hilton welcomes nazis - gotcha.
Boycott Hilton until they start exercising their third amendment rights.
It’s why I’m sharing this. But what gets me is where can we actually share this. Am I crazy or is there no real place something like this can get noticed? Where would you post it that wouldn’t get taken down by mods
I’ve decided to book at another chain because of this event
I’m not even booking in the US, but still, Hilton is Hilton. you take that risk by using the name.
Sure. Just like how we all villainise Rome, the British empire, the Khanates, and other violent militaristic cultures of conquest… and, of course, no one would look back fondly on governments that enacted policies of hate and murdered their citizens and others… Oh, wait… /s
we absolutely do villainize the british empire wtf are you talking about. it’s only really second to the us fascist empire.
A certain subset of people do. There are still lots of Brits who not only don’t hate the idea of empire but think it should come back. There are even people in the former British colonies that romanticise that history. There are people now, and will continue to be, who look at the history of empires, conquerors, and tyrants, and cheer for the ‘great men of history.’ Maybe one day that might change, but it’s going to be a while, if ever.
that doesn’t make the us empire any less villainous
The point was not that empire is not villainous, simply that the ‘history will not be kind to’ sentiment is mostly pointless ressentiment. All it does is mollify the slave with the pretense they will get their reward after death and the oppressor will get their punishment. The empire does not care. The ones that care about history will write the history they want the world to remember after their death and live the life of the wealthy conqueror until they do.
i get what you mean now, you are right.
The rest of the uk think those people are knuckle dragging cunts.
The difference is, we have millions armed and against this admin. So when the world decides to stop the US. They will have millions inside the country willing to join the united earth against the country. They can’t take guns away, and if they try to just take them from Dems then you won’t have to invade. The civil war will begin and the world will hopefully join in the fight
The world cant just deciede to stop the US. their millitary budget is literally half of the entire worlds millitary budget.
Vietnam, Korea and the middle east should’ve shown that having an expensive army does not mean that you will win.
In a war of attrition, the US will fall first
Money doesn’t linearly correlate to millitary power, to be clear.
me when im complicit
This is only true of somebody does something about us.
Tbf no eurocentric history book will mention the invasions of slightlh browner countries. They will mention cold war mostly.
Don’t forget that history is written by the victors.
The US is definitely losing.
Yup. People forget that whatever the Nazis did, we only see them in a bad way is because they lost. Their enemies are making the movies and TV series we consume to this day.
Unless an actual enemy of the us defeats them, they will never be seen as villains. Even if they lose a lot of power but one of their allies takes over.
England committed countless atrocities and while that is known, they are not seen as villains. They are not in power anymore but their ally is. Even Israel can be a thousand times worse than Nazis, as long as they remain in the winning group they will be forever the poor victim of antisemitism defending itself against evil.
Well, a lot of the nazi leadership didn’t lose, at least not personally. I don’t know about former nazi or nazi descendant historians specifically, but I doubt the thousands of nazis who escaped via ratlines engaged in zero whitewashing. Hell, just look at us corporate ties to nazi germany which alone gives the us reason to obscure parts of the history.
The regime lost. They went into hiding or ran away. It’s not necessary for every single person related to a group to be killed for it to lose.
The soviet union lost. Nazis lost. The Ottoman empire lost. England, Spain, Portugal didn’t lose to an enemy but their empires died. One group is always thought as evil in western education, the other is not.
The united states need to be properly defeated for the next winners to see the American atrocities in a proper light.
But I would be already happy with just their empire fading away and only lies remaining in school books.
“They went into hiding or ran away.”
Yeah, they ran away to POSITIONS OF POWER. Just like the American Confederacy, the defeated belligerent was not sufficiently snuffed out after the official victory.
