Eastern Europe hasn’t been socialist for 3 decades. What you see is the devastation of capitalism and western imperialism plundering formerly functional states.
You could argue that they’ve never been socialist, because like every other attempt it just devolved into military dictatorships. The effects of that attempt are still present today. Take any political or social map of Germany and you can still see where the old borders were
No, you cannot make that argument, because it isn’t true. Socialist states have had the working classes in control of the state, and this is proven with hard evidence from the opening of the soviet archives confirming leftist documentation and reporting within the SU. As for the former GDR, the communists were purged in show trials by the west, which never genuinely de-Nazified. That’s why there’s a far-right reaction there.
Mate, even the majority of socialists disagree with this view, let alone someone who is critical of socialism.
The USSR was a dictatorship full of nepotism and corruption, where you could get jailed for the dumbest reasons, ranging from being gay to practicing karate. None of these rules were established by workers and all of them were created by the bureaucracy.
Incorrect, the overwhelming majority of socialists worldwide uphold socialism as it exists in the real world, unless you’re talking purely about socialists in the west. The USSR was run by the working classes, and was more progressive than the west when it comes to queer rights and especially women’s rights. They had an advanced form of democracy outlayed in Pat Sloan’s Soviet Democracy.
It wasn’t the workers who ended the USSR, but a coup, the ones who led this coup being the modern oligarchs in these post-socialist states. The majority wanted to preserve it:
Christ and here I was thinking that Reddit was a left wing circlejerk, at least tankies get downvoted in Reddit.
The first country to leave the union, Lithuania, which your chart conveniently left black as if a referendum never happened, did actually have a referendum with 90% of voters choosing to leave the union. Which, of course, was met with economic blockades and military action to demand the removal of the declaration of independence.
90% of people are not oligarchs, these were workers, voicing their opinion. And just like the USSR, you pretend that they didn’t exist, because they’re not convenient to your political agenda.
Darn, I was hoping the federalization part of it would allow some diversity of thought in how things are run, but both sites seem very left wing and US focused.
Welp, I’ll sign out then, I heard there were some Finnish forums and I’m trying to learn that language, so I’ll check those out instead. Kiitos ja moika!
We’re very internationalist, there’s a large community in the global south. It’s still dominated by European and Statesian users for now, but thankfully it’s more diverse than that.
Eastern Europe hasn’t been socialist for 3 decades. What you see is the devastation of capitalism and western imperialism plundering formerly functional states.
You could argue that they’ve never been socialist, because like every other attempt it just devolved into military dictatorships. The effects of that attempt are still present today. Take any political or social map of Germany and you can still see where the old borders were
No, you cannot make that argument, because it isn’t true. Socialist states have had the working classes in control of the state, and this is proven with hard evidence from the opening of the soviet archives confirming leftist documentation and reporting within the SU. As for the former GDR, the communists were purged in show trials by the west, which never genuinely de-Nazified. That’s why there’s a far-right reaction there.
Mate, even the majority of socialists disagree with this view, let alone someone who is critical of socialism.
The USSR was a dictatorship full of nepotism and corruption, where you could get jailed for the dumbest reasons, ranging from being gay to practicing karate. None of these rules were established by workers and all of them were created by the bureaucracy.
The workers were the people who ended the USSR
Incorrect, the overwhelming majority of socialists worldwide uphold socialism as it exists in the real world, unless you’re talking purely about socialists in the west. The USSR was run by the working classes, and was more progressive than the west when it comes to queer rights and especially women’s rights. They had an advanced form of democracy outlayed in Pat Sloan’s Soviet Democracy.
It wasn’t the workers who ended the USSR, but a coup, the ones who led this coup being the modern oligarchs in these post-socialist states. The majority wanted to preserve it:
Christ and here I was thinking that Reddit was a left wing circlejerk, at least tankies get downvoted in Reddit.
The first country to leave the union, Lithuania, which your chart conveniently left black as if a referendum never happened, did actually have a referendum with 90% of voters choosing to leave the union. Which, of course, was met with economic blockades and military action to demand the removal of the declaration of independence.
90% of people are not oligarchs, these were workers, voicing their opinion. And just like the USSR, you pretend that they didn’t exist, because they’re not convenient to your political agenda.
Lemmy was made and is developed by communists, if you’re anti-communist you probably aren’t going to like it here.
Lithuania having a large nationalist movement and a far-right resurgance doesn’t disqualift that the vast majority voted to stay within the USSR. This is further proven by the dramatic drop in people supportive of capitalism in Lithuania from 75% right after the dissolution to around 50% by 2009.
Darn, I was hoping the federalization part of it would allow some diversity of thought in how things are run, but both sites seem very left wing and US focused.
Welp, I’ll sign out then, I heard there were some Finnish forums and I’m trying to learn that language, so I’ll check those out instead. Kiitos ja moika!
We’re very internationalist, there’s a large community in the global south. It’s still dominated by European and Statesian users for now, but thankfully it’s more diverse than that.