It’s conveniently illegitimate then?
I hate Kaja Kallas and her ahistorical reading of events, but even a broken clock is right twice a day, I won’t shed tears for Maduro.
… for Venezuelans though, that’s a different story
Canada did the same. Every government that disagrees with NATO establishment is an illegitimate autocratic dictator according to NATO… by coincidence. There is never any evidence of fraud. Only massive CIA/NGO funding of destabilization that people must be forced to accept, or vote is illegtimate.
Ben Norton’s rant on Venezuela and recent Latin America situations today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnD0p5F7MNs&pp=ygUbZ2VvcG9saXRpY2FsIGVjb25vbXkgcmVwb3J0
Maduro is an illegitimate president. He rigged the election. That doesn’t make the US strike legitimate though.
So did half the world leaders, even excluding the ones appointment by divine law…
There is no evidence it was rigged.
This article is over a decade old. That was his first election. There have been several elections since, and he’s had the ability to rule by decree for basically a decade now.
There’s no evidence that he stole the last election either, he’s a popularly supported left wing president that the working classes love. The compradors and fascists like Machado and Guaido that the US Empire continues to support are very unpopular. The US Empire is trying to do the same thing they did when Trump claimed 2020 was stolen.
Consider providing evidence proving his latest election was rigged.
I did some searching because I don’t trust the US’s word and figured I’d find the opposite. However, I found this, which seems to be a pretty good source?
https://muse.jhu.edu/article/947882
I don’t think any country should remove another country’s president under any circumstances, though.
Johns Hopkins University Press
You’d be hard pressed to find more extreme US propaganda sources. The way they start off their article gives it all away already.
I don’t care enough about this discussion, so no. I’m just pointing out that the article is basically useless since it’s from the election that was the least likely to be influenced and was also quite a while ago.
So people can just throw out claims without evidence and when they get debunked they get to make the same claim over and over again?
They didn’t make the initial claims, they were just pointing out that your source was questionably relevant given it’s age. Nobody has re-presented any debunked claims here.
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No, the conditions are just not the same. Chavez was actually popular, whereas Maduro’s rule has been marked by civil unrest for a number of reasons, but one of the main is the absurd inflation rate. Some of these problems were inherited and just got way worse when he took power, but he hasn’t fixed them, so that he keeps winning elections is more than a little suspicious.
Why is there massive inflation? (hint US)
Venezuela is among the top countries for economic growth in the last year. They aren’t without problems, but Maduro was doing well.
the eu is illegitimate. i didn’t vote for them, effectively no one did. they decide without consultation. is it ok to kidnap their politicians now?
I’m not crazy about EU and there are certainly parts of it that are dodgy, but we do actually vote our EU representatives, the fact that you personally didn’t doesn’t mean it’s illegitimate.
Does that mean Britain was right to vote for Brexit? I thought that was universally seen as a dumb move on par with voting for Trump.
for their own material conditions? pretty dumb move.
We should all be hoping other member States also exit. Polish exit is currently trending. Hopefully it goes through.
We can all hate the US but let’s not forget that EU isn’t some saint. Only reason they’re not as savage as the US is because they are effectively neutered vassals
You didn’t? I voted in 2024.
You voted for their leadership.
Funny thing about voting, your pick doesn’t necessarily win
I wouldn’t pick any of these fucks, and all of them just do creep towards fascism at varying speeds when they win. Death to schumer (I’m in America).
The whole concept of decision making elites, even if elected, is fucked and antidemocratic.
fuck the eu
“Maybe if we appease The Diaper, he’ll stop shitting on everyone?”
Appeasement is always tried against Hitlers. Never seems to work though.
Kallas only knows how to be tough on Russia; aggression from Israel or the USA is great for her, even when the European Union is the target, she is weak and pusillanimous.
By my math, (-1: illegitimate president) × (-1: illegal state intervention) = (-1: illegal shit)
If your math is a little more lenient: (-1: illegitimate president) - (-1: illegal state intervention) = (0: sketchy shit)
Either way, this is in line with shit the US has been doing since… well, forever. “Peace president” and “America first” my hiney.
By my math, (-1: illegitimate president) × (-1: illegal state intervention) = (-1: illegal shit)
By your own maths: -1 x -1 = 1 (which in guessing would mean legal shit?)
Oh yeah I messed that one up 🙂
Fixed!
Maduro is a legitimate president, this was straight up an act of imperialism to secure Venezuelan oil fields and try to install fascist compradors, it’s the same thing they did with Allende and Pinochet, only this time the millitary supports Maduro.
Death to EU, death to USA. All support to to the bolivarian movement against imperialism.
None of those things, thanks you.
Yes to all of these things, imperialist.
Death. To. The. US.
And also any American that would defend the settler colonial project with their life.
fascist
This post title is completely misleading. Kallas explicitly says that international law and the UN Charter must be respected - nothing about endorsing any invasion. She is saying the opposite.
From the UN Charter (Article 2(4)):
All Members shall refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state.
Then why doesn’t she condemn the act as she should and instead try to justify it saying that Maduro is “illegitimate” as if that was relevant? Thats literally US propaganda.
This is classic plausible deniability and you must be playing dumb to not notice.
You’re using “plausible deniability” incorrectly. The EU didn’t carry out the action and isn’t denying it. It is restating a long-standing position on Maduro (going back to at least 2016), and that is not a covert justification for a military invasion.
Plausible deniability is not just about carrying out action. It is a clear example because she is not condemning the action neither justifying it but its throwing breadcrumbs for both positions.
“Plausible deniability” is being misused here. The EU didn’t carry out the action and isn’t denying responsibility. What you’re describing is what you see as a diplomatic or strategic ambiguity - i.e. dissatisfaction with the strength or clarity of condemnation.
According to Kaja Kallas twit, “Mr. Maduro lacks legitimacy and [the EU] has defended a peaceful transition”. In my book, this means support to the USA invasion/special operation.
Edit: typo
Classic plausible deniability.
How is bombing military facilities and kidnapping the president a peaceful transition?
I would love to read the answer of Kaja Kallas to that question.
The EU has repeatedly stated that Maduro lacks legitimacy and has defended a peaceful transition. A “peaceful transition” is not a military operation. In EU language it means elections, negotiations, and constitutional processes. Illegitimacy does not equal a green light for foreign force.
- Be a legitimate democracy because it is controlled by CIA
- Declare illegitimacy without evidence, because communist countries must be sanctioned and persecuted.
- Kill or kidnap said leaders.
- Promote peaceful, rules based order, transition to CIA approved leader.
How about 19 packets of sanctions against USA?
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Bigot ml mods removed the comment citing rule 1, but it didn’t actually break the rule AT ALL. Fucking tankie hypocrites living in their echo chamber bubbles, afraid of others’ opinions or discussions because they know they’d lose any argument.
What a fucking cesspool this ml instance is.
You’re just eating propaganda shit straight out of Putin’s ass and regurgitating all that rotting shit in your bubble echo chamber instance.
Now go and ban me, so I don’t have to go blocking all your channels one by one, my brainwashed comrade slaves.
Right?! We’re just ignoring the rest of the attacks on Venezuelans and assuming we’ve collectively exhausted all the diplomatic options?
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Can we not have disinformation posts like these? Kallas’ response could have been stronger, correct, but she certainly implied that it was an illegitimate invasion.
she certainly implied that it was an illegitimate invasion.
Where?
“Under all circumstances, the principles of international law and the UN Charter must be respected. We call for restraint.”
Which is diplomat-speak for “can you please knock it off?”
Weird how she didn’t do diplomat speak for Maduro and directly called for him to be replaced.
A position the EU has taken since… last year? See https://www.politico.eu/article/european-union-not-recognize-venezuela-election-result-nicolas-maduro/
So, you could hardly expect her to diverge from that earlier position.
US colonies also supported Guaido.
They had no problem recognizing unelected, self-declared Juan Guaido as the legitimate leader of Venezuela.
No it isn’t. “Restraint” means, “you can keep doing that, but chill the fuck out a little bit”
There’s a clear difference in how she speaks about Maduro’s legitimacy and the invasion’s legitimacy. Why the double standard?
You can’t include why you are a worthless piece of shit with demonic baseless views that justify the outcome in the same sentence that you express vague mild concern about the means to that outcome. Doing so, makes the vague concern less credible.
Because both the EU’s internal dynamics and its current dependency on the USA does not allow for speaking more clearly than this. This is about as good as it gets. Not a pretty sight on form, on substance she basically is treating them pretty similar. Am more livid on Von der Leyen preventing to call out Israel on its ongoing genocide than on this one.
Then how is this post disinformation? Because of what you said, the EU’s internal dynamics and its current dependency on the US, Kalla refused to condemn the invasion or call it illegitimate. The title is completely accurate. What disinformation?
The fact that there’s context behind this fact doesn’t make it wrong.
It is wrong in the sense that merely bringing up the need to adhere to international law and non-violence is, in that context, the same thing as saying this is illegitimate.
It’s literally not the same, she chose her words carefully to specifically not call it illegitimate (because of the EU’s internal dynamics and its current dependency on the US) and calling it “disinformation” to point this out is some serious double-think.
No, she weaseled. As shitlibs do.
Weaseling is what diplomats get paid for. So, le meh.
She also tries to justify it by mentioning that Maduro is “illegitimate” as if that was relevant? Classic example of plausible deniability 🤷, everyone in the world knows she supports this action.
Vassal states support the empire. 🤷
What do you expect it to do? Attack USA? Tell them to fuck off so that USA can get into cahoots with Russia even more?
Everything is about russia to you racist liberals. When the US bombs a country and kidnaps its leaders, it somehow has to be blamed on russia.
