I alredy quit youtube when commercial crap hit the fan. Never used Zuckerbergs surveillance anyway. Very happy to spend more time on my real life
i watch it, but it has to be adblock, otherwise it becomes intolerable.
protip: if you wish to watch on your android TV, get an app called smarttube next. You’ll need to side load it (so i don’t know if it will work much longer with this shit that google is up to. don’t know if their block on sideloading affects android tv), but once it is installed, it auto updates and shit. no more adverts on youtube.
Smarttube is amazing.
It’s a little buggy sometimes, but I assume that’s because Google is trying to keep other front ends from bypassing their ads. Smarttube gets regular updates, so it’s never a problem for long.
Yeah, I’d quit watching YouTube videos had the audacity to question my age and try to verify it in a way which is hostile to one’s own privacy.
Obligatory message from Invidious gang
Freetube and pipepipe FTW!
Youtube/Google/Alphabet out of aaaaall the companies out there, should already have a mindblowing amount of info on 99% of ots users. There’s no need at all to even asl for ID.
They want solid evidence for authorities, remember USA has gone full Nazi from the very top all the way down
Just curious why is this entire thing even in the Android community? This is a privacy topic or a YouTube topic etc. There’s nothing about it that ties it to Android. Can we keep stuff like this out? It’s just one more topic that devolves into politics, scare speculation etc. Just read the comment threads if you need to see.
Exactly. People needs to know Android is not Google
when over half of the bug fixes and security patches come from Google, it’s a Google product.
and I’m saying that as an android user from /e/OS
Thats a google product but google apps and android are two diffrent product or atleast should be
Should be but at this point basically aren’t.
You can’t run AOSP on most phones and if you could you would get the user experience most people expect from a phone.
Hard to escape Google unless you are willing to use a custom rom which is getting harder and harder to do with devices with unlockable bootloaders becoming rarer. Google also has a pretty big influence on the direction of Android.
Even GrapheneOS that is talked of often requires purchase of a Google phone.
I myself have degoogled android device without bootloader locked. I have multiple devices with stock and custom ROM. With adb or other GUI tools you can go 95% degoogled without causing any breakage
But, it not being 100% does show how Google is not Android is hard to make a reality for locked bootloaders and the influence it also can have on unlocked phones.
A phone having an unlockable bootloader doesn’t guarantee being able to flash a custom rom from one of the more trusted groups.
Sometimes it means having to rely on the work of one unknown person trying to port it over for the device, and not knowing if they snuck anything malicious.
Its just a really poor situation compared to desktop OS options that makes it hard to degoogle and also be secure. Since being more private from data collection and being secure can be different things. Right GrapheneOS is one of the few options that tries to offer both privacy without comprising on security.
Situation on mobile devices is worse than people think. These vendors are locking devices more everyday. We seriously need more than 2 mobile OS. Linux phone’s future is still unclear
Indeed mobile is so terrible. Hardware options terrible and at the mercy of OEMs and hacked together fan projects still reliant on Google contributions to Android, and available only on limited OEM phones. Which if an OEM decides to lock things down not like we can make our own phones like desktops.
We need linux phones but that is unlikely. I wish Valve running ARM for steam frame leads to them maybe in the future deciding to put on a Steam phone that runs Linux. But that’s a long shot and probably territory they dont want to enter dealing with mobile carriers.
Honestly I think ID verification on the Internet isn’t a bad thing. I know a professional (highly paid) propagandist in real life which made me fear trolling and masquerading as someone else is way more prevalent than assumed. I’d love to see a forum where I didn’t have to second guess whether users are bots/trolls.
Obviously it shouldn’t be for-profit unethical corporations that handle this, but well-run governments.
Zero Knowledge ID, multiple possible verifies, only binary questions answered.
Are you over 18 = True/False
No other personal information escapes.
Could you elaborate on “multiple possible verifies” please? Unsure what you mean by that.
Zk certificates can be issued by multiple entities all attesting the validity the same piece of information. Governments, companies and your mate Dave could all add weight to a zk proof.
The zk part just hides the input data. A zk proof guarantees validity, not truth.
Gonna be fun if they ask me to verify my age. My account is old enough to drink.
Yeah. I’ve never been asked but now I wonder if that’s why. Haven’t heard of anyone with a drinking aged account having to do this.
Between the age of my account and the fact I pay for premium, if they ever ask for ID they can go fuck themselves and I’ll go back to as blockers and fresh accounts
I still have the original Google Play Music All Access intro deal of $7.99/month from 2013.
They contractually can’t raise the price on me ever. 12 years so far.You pay each month that amount for music ,😂
That’s how much I pay for YouTube Premium.
I also buy CDs, or Bandcamp downloads directly for those I really like, and want to donate to.
I “curate” whole discographies of stuff that I want to “archive”.
But when someone recommends music I haven’t heard of, I load up their most popular stuff on YouTube Music and listen to a bunch there, ad free. Then decide if or how I obtain more.I use newpipe or metrolist on my phone,freetube on my PC , never have I seen ads from yt.
I’ve tried those. They aren’t as good as YouTube Premium.
As a newpipe user myself, are we now pretending this doesn’t happen for 90% of videos?
Have just tested it with totally random subjects, such as grapheneos, supertramp, Hollywood undead, interstellar, trump, everything in working order. Tested with mullvad VPN on (exit zwitersland), or off (belgium)
Try reinstall newpipeHmm. I’ll try because it has been dead for a few weeks now.
I couldn’t keep paying for it in good conscience when they killed the original Play Music app and along with it: their awesome selection of curated playlists, the best library organization I’ve seen before or since, and the critical one, the ability to upload your own music that wasn’t available already. I just can’t stand YouTube as a music organization platform.
Edit: Oh! And not to mention the I’m Feeling Lucky button that somehow no one else has managed to replicate.
I really miss that “I’m feeling lucky” button. I found a lot of good music with that.
But in exchange for loosing those music features, I gained ad free YouTube Premium.
So yah, I keep the subscription.
Lol “paying for youtube”
Do you need to borrow a flashlight? It seems you’ve gotten far enough up your own butt that you might need some help finding your way back out again
Lol do you pay for youtube?
You know you’re gonna have to go elbow deep to hand them that flashlight. . ?
nothing wrong with that.
you support the people you watch without having to see ads. also, comes with YT music.
it’s a pretty good deal
You guys pay for that ? No ads here on you tube
And the paying user average revenue for creators is higher than ad users. At least it was when I last looked.
Tipping your creators 5€/month or smth is even better. No google, Amazon in between, no charges…
yeah except if I watch a random video from somebody they wouldn’t get any money with this method.
I can’t afford to give everyone 5€ per month
Best way to support creators is the same way as with bands - buy their merch!
But then you end up giving Google even more information compared to using it logged out.
yeah, that is definitely a trade-off
It also monetarily feed into the youtube network effect of there being no other viable options. Maybe youtube becoming completely unprofitable for creators is a necessary evil so there becomes less and less incentive to put content there.
I mean yeah if everyone would coordinate. We’re such a small minority on here it doesn’t really do anything on its own. If we got the creators themselves onboard…
Look into browser Finger printing. The logged out parts does not do much nowadays.
Yeah, but having a Google account, tying payment to it, and having viewing history all tied to it is even worse. There’s a reason Microsoft wants people to use an account on their OS is tying stuff like extended support to it because a dedicated profile is still more reliable and accurate than trying to rely solely on finger printing.
One is so good you don’t even need to try to finger print because you already did all the work for them logging in.
I agree. All I am saying that in the limit where we all use services that respect privacy and stay away from big tech, we still have a major issue that we currently don’t have a solution for and is very hard to avoid or eliminate completely.
I mean, people pay for Netflix or Amazon or whatever, why is YouTube different? It’s my primary video platform and I watch more than 50 hours a week (I’m low balling that number to hell as well).
While paying is more convenient for me than breaking their shit, I’ll pay. Also means creators actually get paid for my views as well
Friendly reminder that Tampermonkey has a script for this:
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/521089-youtube-age-restriction-bypass-stealth-version
Cool, if GrayJay could integrate similar functionality that’d be great.
They ask for login on my always-on VPN so Youtube doesn’t exist for me.
There’s really 4 spaces in the internet:
- the public corporate web (YouTube, Facebook, twitter, Reddit, etc)
- the private corporate web (requires login to view any content, Software as a Service, Cloud Apps, etc)
- the public web (Wikimedia, Wikia, Archive.org)
- the indie web / small web
And currently the main issue is that the corporate web is intentionally trying to strangle the other spaces on the web.
But there are some movements against it, https://indieweb.org/ and https://neocities.com/ and https://smallweb.cc/
What about the darknet?
That’s just private web with extra steps, really
And those extra steps make it wayyyy more private and secure.
But not any different in the context I’m talking about
That s beyond our borders. You must never go there,
Simbaquick_snailAt that point, you’re almost talking about a private web.
Accessable public information seems to me to be a different beast.
Guess I need to get off of GMail more urgently.
I have Tuta, it’s good enough. Lots of storage for the price compared with others.
Tuta
So, can’t use that with Thunderbird, I suppose?
Well, at least the open source client would be useful.True, using Thunderbird would be a useful thing to be able to do. I’m always on the lookout for more or less useful alternatives, even to Tuta.
Although the encryption is a useful feature, I don’t really expect that from mail.
And if were doing internal communications with a company with that level of security and privacy requirement, I would be using their on-premises mail server.I have been considering Proton, mostly. My main goal being, not randomly losing access to my mail account due to some AI bs.
Though I am not sure if they might end up requiring stuff like “Video ID”.And if it comes to paying for a service, I will also start comparing it to the cost of a domain name and a static IPv6 address, because I already have plans to run a server.
Fair. I’d love to hear why someone down-voted you. I don’t respect these down’n’dashers. 🫤
Maybe someone who has been de-federated from my instance, considering I don’t see a downvote.
Hmm, I changed the settings in my Lemmy client to see split votes (down and up votes), and there’s no down votes, but also no up votes, as if you perhaps removed your own up vote from your posts. 😅
Someone down voted my comment though for some reason. Gosh. I don’t mind the votes, I just want to have a discussion… That’s why we’re here, isn’t it. At least why I’m here.
It’ll be super weird to pirate free youtube videos, but I’ll fuckin’ do it.
How do you even do that?
Grayjay and Newpipe (and its forks) can do that, as well as just watching it like regular youtube, but also the option to select from other platforms - like peertube, as one example - to watch.
I use FreeTube, but this doesn’t seem like a “youtube piracy” solution because it is streaming the content directly from youtube, which can ultimately prevent access; I already am blocked from watching certain videos that require you to be logged in to watch.
The problem is basically, if there is a specific youtube video you want to watch, but youtube insists that you must provide ID to see it, right now I don’t think there’s actually a lot of recourse for that because there are too many such videos for anyone else to actually host them or offer torrents or anything.
I built a little Python app that’s just a big Download button on top of yt-dlp. Copy the link, hit the button, it downloads the video to my Jellyfin folder so I can watch YouTube videos on Apple TV without having to tolerate ads every three minutes.
I guess yt-dlp everything lol
I’m assuming that mandatory ID checks would make yt-dlp not work
Unless you have access to an age-verified account(that is not yours), in that case you can just pass the cookies
Hunter2, that’s your time to shine!
Need a yt-dlp that uploads to another service that isn’t stupid lol
They are going to start permanently banning people from YouTube by ID if that becomes popular enough
Variously better and worse than a ban from both Uber and Lyft.
Sucks to live in a Draconian country lol.
Guess we’ll need to make a series of discord servers with channels to hold YouTube content for people who live in shithole countries where people are guilty until proven innocent.
Are they actually free?
Are we maybe misunderstanding YouTube… A company?
I quit YouTube when I saw they were treating their content creators like shit.
and then some youtube content creators are POS themselves(the main ones of course). alot of them turned that way. i only mainly follow the pet based ones now, and some smaller pet ones called pushed about youtubes algorithim a while aback, they had to quit youtube because they could not earn revenue.
and asian ytubers i used to followed drank the koolaid of maga during the pandemic, consistent attacks women for causing thier decline of thier channels(it was a whole drama by the way if you were a long time fan now its the new parasocial fans vs the old fans who know thier insidious behaviour), and hosting pos like TULSI gabbard on the channel right before the election.
Most youtubers I ended up still following have been ones who aren’t even trying to make a living off of it and just sharing stuff because it seems cool. Sometimes posting something maybe once a year or going silent for years then popping in with a video.
So kind of like how there isn’t really money to be made on lemmy and filled with people shilling stuff or going viral to start gets money off interactions.
There’s just a very desperate car sales person vibe to the career youtubers.
and then some youtube content creators are POS themselves(the main ones of course)
You mean the rich ones. They just have class consciousness
That’s what I said about my IP. Now I can’t watch YouTube. I mostly just use PeerTube
What do you even do there? I can almost never find anything to watch on PeerTube.
If you mostly care about tech and especially Linux and Open Source there is some good content there. Other than that, good content is unfortunately few and far between.
Also good for homesteading/permaculture and anarchism it’s not all tech
I don’t understand what you do on YouTube.
I don’t enjoy it. I’ve never enjoyed it. I truly don’t understand how people can spend time watching it
You dont understand how people dont like infinite video content? I guess you also dont understand why people enjoy libraries too.
For me there are actually some people making videos I like. For example thelinuxexperiment, Veronica explain, privacy guides yeah not much though
Gravitytube is starting to mirror a good handful of youtubers
Oh, me? I do more posting than viewing, honestly. If we all do the same, it solves this concern
