Haha yeah awesome real problems getting solved by serious politicians here, guys! If you can actually get your hands on any real meat without paying an arm and a leg for it what the actual fuck are we doing here lads what the fuck are these fucking politicians doing???
The world is on fire, the economy is in the shitter globally, there are multiple ongoing genocides, facism is on the rise again, and we’re wiggling our dicks around talking about whether you can call veggie burgers “burgers”? Are you serious? WHO CARES???
Is this bring your kid to work day and they let the kids do a vote for a change instead as a treat? Is this a joke?? What motherfucker is getting into politics to make sure “hey those damn vegans better not call anything a burger”.
These poncy little briefcase-botherers need a hobby or something because this is absolutely the biggest case of dicking around on the job I’ve ever heard of. Ridiculous. Stupid. A joke. Pathetic. Childish. Vapid. Can we get some adults in the EU Parliament please?
Or.
We could tackle multiple problems at once. Why does it have to be a this-or-that thing?
This is in a very literal way not a problem though. They were just bribed by the meat industry.
I’m totally in favour of solving multiple problems at once.
Personally, I do not view this as a problem. My issue is with the EU Parliament wasting time with this in place of anything that I perceive as an actual problem.
If you think that calling veggie burgers “burgers” is a problem worth their time and effort, more power to you 👍
To me this is also a non problem. But if they can solve it just so they can move on, that’d be great
Voting the way an industry told them to vote is not solving anything. Shouldn’t have been considered worthy of a vote at all.
Because resources must be prioritized. There simply are more pressing matters to tend to.
This is a non-issue and should have the lowest priority as it’s pandering to a lobby and will likely result in backfiring because more creative names will pop up, possibly leading to even more acceptance of vegan products 😁
Honestly, coming up with a better name would be great. It would likely help the vegan products as well
I’m paying 50% income taxes to pay for a bunch of cronies to chitchat about this bullcrap. Meanwhile they just scraped the money to shelter homeless people during winter
why are they doing this shit when there are so many problems in the world?
because they already participated in those problems.
In reality, it’s because the farming lobby is the biggest lobby inside the EU. This is an easy “win” that MEPs can use to get beef farmers to vote for them again.
Same reason CAP will never be reformed.
Welcome to the European Union. Solving non-issues is what they do all day.
I’m a meat eater and I don’t even see much point in this ruling. Basically all the plant-based steak or burger alternatives I’ve seen have been clearly labeled as such. Stores usually separate them from meat-based products anyway, so that vegans and vegetarians could more easily find what they’re looking for.
I’m really glad that we don’t have more serious problems to deal, than this.
Good to see the parliament tackling the most pressing issues.
I’m sure this critical decision will help us.
Cool still not buying dead animal
This is what seems crazy to me, surely no one is changing what they buy based on this and who is really so dumb that they were confused by the vegan sausage not containing meat?
And even if, no one dies of eating a vegan sausage by mistake.
Generally no, but food allergies could cause death depending on the vegan alternative contents. Have a severe allergy to wheat, seitan is a no-go. Have a severe allergy to legumes, chickpeas and bean altertanives are a no-go.
However, I’ve never seen vegan alternatives not clearly labeled as vegan or meat alternative is some very obvious way. And the people I know with allergies severe enough to cause severe reactions read the ingredients carefully of everything they buy. And ask what’s in things before eating something prepared by somebody else.
Not true. I made my racist uncle eat a vegan sausage once and he was almost offended to death
Veggie burgers have been around since the 1940s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veggie_burger
The Morningstar ones are damn good too. I think they’re black bean based.
Ayyy morningstar
Much better than the Impossible to eat burger.
Can we change the title to “meat industry has been nagging about this non issue for years now, so the babies are finally getting their non issue resolved?”
Ffs sell your product but don’t be a bitch about that tiny speck of competition.
that tiny speck of competition.
It’s not that tiny anymore. The number of people choosing non-meat options is growing faster and faster as people realize that meat is expensive and bad for your health but the plant based alternatives are cheaper and good for you.
Also bad for your health in the long run, because meat is heating up the atmosphere and outcompetes nature that would otherwise store CO2.
yes but lets not pretend impossible burgers are a health food. they’re great but just like cow burgers i wouldn’t recommend eating them as a staple of your diet
All the vegans and vegetarians I know don’t eat impossible burgers very often at all, they’re more into actual vegan and vegetarian food.
pretending they are a health food is their marketing strategy. people switch to vegan because it’s perceived to be healthier.
in 5-10 years studies will show it’s bad for you and people will move away from it and meat will seen as the ‘healthy’ choice.
everything in food/nutrition is a fad.
People aren’t changing to vegetarian or vegan diets because of studies. They’re changing because they try it and they find themselves feeling better. The main barrier to a vegetarian or vegan lifestyle has always been the bias against ethnic dishes that often were vegetarian or vegan. And all of the European or American style dishes were all meat centered. There has been trend of people becoming more comfortable with a less European an American style diet. A lot of this actually can be chalked up to youtube. People aren’t stuck consuming only one corporately cultivated perspective on food prep and recipes. There is now a diversity that has never existed before.
This is going to backfire in a major way for them. Once we come up with new names for the vegan stuff that are generally accepted, the old stuff will look decidedly outdated.
did it work for milk? it won’t backfire.
they know what they’re doing - they’re trying to create an artificial distance between meat and modern plant alternatives. Can’t blame them for trying but the government should not be so happy to do their bidding.
I doubt it’ll actually go through.
They’re clearly labeled “veggie”, “vegitarian” or “vegan”, and consumers understand those labels to mean, at minimum, no meat.
“Sausage”, I can see how you could argue it has to contain meat to be called a sausage. I don’t agree, but I can understand the argument being made.
“Burger”, however. Is distinctly different than “hamburger”, in fact, we often substitute the prefix to fit whatever it is. (Not that hamburgers are made of ham, i know it comes from hamburg) Such as, “fish-burger” or “chicken-burger”, so why would “veggie-burger” be any more confusing than “fish-burger”?
I thought you could stuff anything into a bun shaped piece of bread and call it a burger.
Its not always clearly labeled tho. Last year my brother took me to a burger joint in Minneapolis and only after I thought the burger tasted very weird did I learn that it was an all vegan burger joint. Not complaining, but it should be clearly labeled what youre getting, IMO.
It should always be the case, even for places serving meat products. Alpha-gal syndrome is on the rise due to exploding tick populations, so when a restaurant advertises “gravy” it would be nice to know what kind it is. Another frustrating one is sausages - so many poultry or veggie sausages still use pig-based casings and either ignore it completely or list the ingredient as “collagen” and expect people to understand what that implies (collagen casing is almost always pork).
Cool so lets just put a label on anything that isn’t vegan. Problem solved.
You’re just making a really terrible, bad faith argument, for the sake of arguing, when the guy just wanted to share a situation where he was a bit confused as to what he was getting.
I would just enjoy having animal abuse products be labeled clearly but sure, you know me better than I know myself I guess?
I don’t think anyone is oblivious to the fact that burgers by default contains animal product. But I’m sure you’ll be the one to prove that wrong.
I think I know the place you’re talking about. I took my daughter there because she is vegetarian, but I can imagine that being offputting if you didn’t know ahead of time.
“Sausage”, I can see how you could argue it has to contain meat to be called a sausage.
I don’t; the defining feature of sausage isn’t that it’s meat, it’s the fact that it’s stuffed in a tube. If people want to grind up veggies and stuff them in a tube, why would that not be a veggie sausage?
grind up veggies and stuff them in a tube, why would that not be a veggie sausage?
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“Sausage”, is a traditional name of minced meat stuffed into a sleeve, It exists in numerous cultures all over the world, and the principle is the same. So an argument could be made, that “Sausage” is inherently viewed as a meat product by default. And could be confusing for consumers.
Again, I would also disagree with that argument, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be made. Just because we disagree with something doesn’t mean it can’t be made.
I’ve never said something can’t be a “Veggie sausage”, like I said… It’s clearly labeled “Veggie”
It’s not just meat usually though.
It’s a mix of mostly meat, some flour or even vegetables (like onion) and seasoning. Sometimes you can even have cheesy sausages.
Some sausages here are as low as 11% of meat. Then again there is “product that’s comparable to meat” for a more significant portion, but rest flour and other things. You just can’t call minced ligaments and fat “meat” here but anyway I think sausages are more about the way they’re made and their shape than being made of meat
I am well aware. You don’t have to convince me of what I already think. I just said an argument can be made given the long lineage of the name “Sausage” and its respective local counterpart.
Regardless. Just to be super clear. As far as I’m concerned, EU can fuck off with this one, it’s not something that needs to be regulated on an EU level. Each member is perfectly capable of deciding themselves what can and can not be called “Sausage”.
This is just France trying to throw its weight around to appease their own farmers. Why they wanted to involve EU in it is beyond me.
Language is descriptive not prescriptive.
If “veggie sausage” conveys what I mean, then it’s perfectly acceptable language.
The only reason there’s even a question about this is because the meat industry is panicking.
If its just “sausage” alone I think there is an expectation that it contains about 10% Legally Meat™ though. Otherwise it should have some addition to its name to show it is something else.
I’m a french vegetarian living in France, and I couldn’t care less about this decision, the people arguing for either side are really wasting their time on this, who cares how it’s called honestly ? As long as the products are available in store and the labeling is different, which it always is, and very clearly: veggie based product try their best to make sure vegetarian and vegans will identify them easily and will know without a doubt that it is not meat. Who care that it is called a “burger”, “steak” or something else ?
I care that the government cares (or more specifically that it was bribed to do so by lobby groups)
Vegetarian or not, you should care about this. Propping up the meat and dairy industry is not in the interests of the public. This move is part of an agenda by the meat and dairy industry to deceive the public into thinking there’s something “natural” about the modern meat processing industry. It’s bullshit and if we had a government that actually worked in our interests instead of that of the fat cats, it would be the meat and dairy industry being forced to change their labelling, to highlight to the public the real costs of meat consumption.
Yea I’m paying 50% income tax to pay for a bunch of cronies circlejerking about this crap
I’d like to add that “I know who cares” my question is rethoric, those who care are idiots wasting parliament’s time.
Don’t really care either way, but I shall point and laugh.
You should care that people you’re paying taxes to are wasting time discussing and voting on special interest nonsense like this.
I should, and normally I would, but right now french politics is so crazy, this particular issue seems very low stakes in comparison.
What a great Democratic organ taking care of the true problems of the days /s
It’s not like they can’t do several things at once. Small things add up.
True, but of all the things to focus on, this is utterly ridiculous.
Nothing is perfect, and if this is the worst thing about the EU then it’s kind of good IMO.
Bullshit. I’m not paying 50% taxes so a bunch of idiot can whine about “fake meat”.
How are you paying 50% taxes lol especially towards the EU
I don’t have a company car
huh?
Hallo, Steuerprüfer? Dieser Kommentar hier.
That’s not how it works. You don’t pay 50% taxes to have that.
I understand you think it’s not something you’d like the EU to spend money on, but this whole “I pay loads of taxes For This?!” is just making the discussion become quite low level IMO.
Yeah well I remember you’re a genocide supporter so…
Still higher than you
I’m not, you are probably upset because I didn’t buy into your tankie crap or some other conspiracy theory 100%.
You seem to be a very very angry person.
Cause the world isnt burning and you can spend time to worry about this shite
How quickly Lemmy turns on the EU when they do something you don’t like. “Vegan burger” doesn’t tell me what’s in it. Could be fucking sawdust.
Wait till they learn how long peanut butter has existed
Should name products made from animals as they are: spherical gassed pig after a short, miserable life without ever seeing daylight. Or: salty fat from methane burping cows that could also have fed their killed off offspring.
salty fat from methane burping cows that could also have fed their killed off offspring.
Who eats suet and why have you made it salty? I’d think “salty fat” would be closer to bacon.
It’s a favorite vegan pastime to invent the most disgustable description of animal based foods possible.
Well I’m sorry to say but I think you just won’t be able to come up with anything that would deter someone.
