…and it went very smoothly. I installed on a spare PC for now, but I could absolutely see this becoming my daily driver. I’m mostly surprised at how snappy and responsive it is, even on 10 year old hardware!
My biggest hangup (so far) is modding games.
Nexus is built for Windows. CDPR’s RedMod is too.
It’s probably not that big a deal. I’m just shit at all this stuff. I’m not a coder. I don’t even know what the fuck sudo means. But I have a very loose grasp on using it. With a moderate amount of help from the internet. Usually.
Closest comparison I can give of it is… It’s like clicking “Yes” when the User Account Control (UAC) popup appears on Windows when you’re installing stuff. That’s you, as an admin, confirming you want to perform whatever action is being performed.
sudo ...is perform an action/command as an admin.As for the mods. A lot of the time it’s a matter of taking the files you downloaded, and dropping them in the game directory (or a directory within the game directory).
Once you do it manually once, you’ll see it’s pretty straight forward and you don’t really need the mod managers.
Fun fact,
sudo...meansSuper User do...Yep
I’ll just go back to modding morrowind LOL
“I heard them say we’ve reached Morrowind. I’m sure they’ll let us go.”
Morrowind will always be wonderful to return to. I miss all the imaginative player house mods. OpenMW has been so AWESOME.
Also:
YoU wOuLdN’t StEaL a LiMeWaRe pLatTeR
Super user do
Dragging mod files into folders is your easiest solution
Yeah that is one of the weaker areas of Linux. I think there is native support coming for Nexus soon.
Nexus is building a new version of its app, and the new one has Linux support (native app).
It’s not yet a full replacement, and at the moment only supports a few select games, but eventually it’ll expand to the full catalogue.
Peer pressure++
What distro/DE? I was also surprised with the snappiness! You use Windows/Mac on modern hardware for so long and think it’s the best it can be, but nope!
After watching videos about different distros until my brain went numb, I went with Pop!_OS. It seemed like a really polished and noob-friendly option, which has felt true so far.
I also switched to Pop!_OS a couple days ago. I’ve only used Windows all my life and this distro made everything so easy. The Pop Store is a lifesaver.
Between windows and mac, I enjoy the UX of mac more, and Pop!_OS feels familiar in a lot of good ways.
I’ve only used Apple computer a handful of times, but there is a lot of elements to Pop!_OS that remind of Mac. Particularly the tiny loading circle your mouse creates after opening a window reminds me of the similar that used to come up on my elementary school old Macs.
I just really love the persistent top bar, the floating dock, and the way you mount apps to install. It all feels so natural for some reason.
Oh, and the search bar for finding apps/files. I’m glad Pop OS uses that too.
As a pop os user over the past 4 years, I’m unsure what you mean about mounting apps to install them. What app is an example of that?
Sorry, I meant that about Mac and was getting some wires crossed.
COSMIC and GNOME are definitely going for a mac-like feel. Not my thing, but that’s why there’s KDE!
I love how much you can customize whatever you want. I saw some cool setups while watching videos about distros, and I think I could get unhealthily obsessed with that if I let myself.
Heck, I’ve been hacking Linux for a quarter century and I’ve installed Pop! OS on my main machines because I just want shit that works.
so when do you start hrt?
Ha, at the risk of limiting my Linux skills forever, I don’t think that’s for me.
well at least put on the sox
I lasted almost 5 years of Linux, 2 years on lemmy, and 3 months after Celeste before I caught the gay
I’ve been 5 years too in Linux, rocking Fedora Asahi, still straight white male. Probably destined to be a neck beard lol
Well, you’ll either switch back to Windows by next weekend, or you’re stuck on Linux.
About 15 years ago, I installed Ubuntu for a few months for fun, but not being able to game on it very easily was a major drawback for me, so I bounced back to windows.
Now that gaming on Linux seems to have come a long way (and Windows is annoying me way more than it used to), I’m feeling motivated.
Man, I did the same thing 15 years ago, and between gaming and Ubuntu itself being honestly fairly user hostile at that point (regardless of what the cult said) , it turned me off of trying Linux again for a looong while
There’s been a lot of progress in 15 years. This would be a good time to give it another go. Mint is stupid easy to install along side windows.
I wish you luck with it. I was turned off Linux until recently just because of base functionality. But hey, wifi is working, and my USB HID stuff is all working too. I’m not a hardcore gamer so that doesn’t affect me. If anything, I’ll trade any 3d functions for faster and more efficient 2d and text.
Same. I’ve been saying for years that basic functionality is keeping people from switching to Linux, and nobody wanted to listen. It’s definitely gotten better, but still not rock solid.
What is your definition of “basic functionality?”
Hardware, mostly. Most times I’ve tried Linux something like Wi-Fi or the touchpad was broken out of the box.
Basically, a user who only needs a web browser and maybe Libre office should not experience any friction or touch a CLI. That’s what Windows has and what Linux needs to become mainstream.
Just a note on windows “having” this: a significant amount of hardware (wifi adapters, nvme drives, a lot of the shit in a Surface laptop, etc) don’t have native windows support and require command line usage and/or hunting for third party drivers to even get windows installed. A user installing an OS on a machine with that sort of hardware would have a much easier time on Linux - it’s only manufacturers preinstalling windows and the needed drivers that give the impression it’s easier on windows. When the user has to wipe / reinstall their OS it’s a much more apples to apples comparison.
I’m not saying this to imply Linux doesn’t need to get better, because of course that’d be great, but I see this comparison a lot and it’s worth keeping in mind that it’s a bit of an unfair one even if it’s a reasonable standard to hold an OS to.
Never had touchpad troubles on Linux - as long as the device follows standard HID protocols, it’ll just work. WiFi was dicey in the 2000s; the technology was still new and every chip vendor had their own idea of how shit should work, making it difficult to get support merged for every possible device, but that really hasn’t been an issue for quite a while in my experience.
Everyone’s forgotten the olden days where you’d have to dig through a box of diskettes for all the drivers.
I was hesitant to engage because I kind of figured you’d prove my point about nobody wanting to hear about basic functionality not working. I tend to get responses like this along the lines of “it works on my machine” and “you spoiled kids, back in my day etc etc”.
Hardware issues are well documented. I still have to manually restart the touchpad module after waking from sleep intermittently. As long as Linux people are dismissive about problems like this, it’ll never be mainstream.
Do you have an Nvidia graphics card or why did you pick one of the few distributions that doesn’t ship the latest Radeon and Intel drivers?
I’m using an old Nvidia GPU, yeah.
Wishing you luck and that Nvidia and their legacy drivers don’t fuck you over. Should you experience weird problems, not necessarily related to graphics output but maybe broken power management or so, it’s most likely the fault of Nvidia. Just saying, in case something like that happens and you feel the need to should at Linux.
Thanks, at least that gives me a place to start if something acts up. I haven’t had any issues yet, but I also haven’t tried any games on it.
Congratulations. One of us, one of us, one of us.
Penguins together strong?
SWOLE PENGUINS GO
This cracks me up, why is there a bunch separated from the rest?
Those are the people on the Hannah Montana distro.
Penguins together warm!
Become untariffable
Gooble gobble, gooble gobble!
One of us.
One of us
One of us!
This weekend, I gave my girlfriend’s dad a nice computer with Linux mint installed. I put a shortcut to windows 11 setup to run in virtualbox, in case there were things that he felt he needed windows for (to spare him the frustration of needing to tinker too much if he didn’t want to).
Down with Microsoft spyware.
A few months ago my roommate asked if I could zhuzh up their old laptop. It was old enough I was still able to open it up, add some ram, switch to a tb SSD, better network card. I slapped mint on their too. Their first experience with Linux and after showing them some really basic terminal commands I’ve never had them ask for help since. It just works
I find this funny because I’ve been aware of, and even using, Linux for a lot longer than I have been using Lemmy (or Lemmy or even ActivityPub has even existed). Are many people really becoming more aware of Linux because they are moving from Reddit to Lemmy and then noticing people talking about Linux here?
I was generally planning on switching once windows 10 died but being on Lemmy helped convince me to not only switch earlier, but also I just dove right in with arch. I’d say it was like 2/3 Lemmy and 1/3 Proton that made me switch not because I felt I needed to but because I was actually excited to
I’ve known about Linux since the late ’90s; I haven’t been around any significant concentration of people talking about it and how to use it until I joined Lemmy.
Slippery slope reality
The open source nature of Lemmy attracts the same people who are also attracted by the open source nature of Linux.
Lemmy is a bit of an echo chamber because of that.
I’ve always been aware of it, but I guess I just needed the extra push. Being on Lemmy has been like having one of those Civ missionaries in my base spamming “spread religion” for 2 years, and I think they’ve successfully converted me.
I hate them, wish I could go all Mao on their asses. But yeah, Linux rocks. Heard great things about Pop. Looking forward for your meme posts asking for help here.
I subscribed to a bunch of Linux communities today with that in mind, but I haven’t drilled down to figure out which are the most active or are open to random questions.
If you make a meme out of it, this is one of the most helpful and active. Otherwise the others are good too, some perhaps not as active.
I swear Lemmy just turns everyone in a variation of the same person. Its bizarre. We all subconsciously end up watching the same YouTube channels and read the same books.
And watching Star Trek
Now its time to convince Stamets to switch, too. Pray that he will not kill me 🙏
Congrats tho, which distro did you choose?
Haha, yes!
I went with Pop!_OS
Try Manjaro please
No. Please go away
I’m not talking to you. Fuck off.
Please don’t use manjaro. Their devs are incompetant, rarely change after fucking up, it teaches bad behaviors, and they detriment the broader ecosystem constantly.
Too tired to go through with the entire list of constant fuck ups but they’re really awful. I rarely say that any distro is a poor choice but manjaro is just awful.
If you want a we instable rolling release opensuse tumbleweed is a good option.
As someone who tries manjaro first, don’t. Endeavouros has been a much better experience overall for me.
Are there any things you could mention specifically?
I’m using Manjaro with KDE, and I find it extremely easy to maintain, which I like.
I use mostly Steam for games, and it runs very well out of the box, even better than I ever managed with Arch.
I used Antergos for a couple of years, and that was also great, but it quickly fell apart when it was discontinued although I tried to remove the Antergos dependencies, I don’t want to experience that again with EndeavourOS which was started by the same people.Why should I trust EndeavourOS when I couldn’t trust Antergos?
Someone else could (and has in other threads where manjaro came up) answer better than me for general reasons, but for reasons that personally affected me - version mismatches due to them holding back releases, driver issues (with an amd card), general app installation/updating issues.
Audio issues due to poor defaults, which as a beginner (at the time) user was difficult enough to diagnose I uninstalled plasma (twice) trying to fix (yes, that part is my fault for not understanding what pacman -Rcns actually does).
The installer is using a very incomplete timezone list that does not include any GMT -8 timezones at all (which isn’t manjaro specific, but makes me leery of a dev’s attention to detail when they use this list).
For the general comments I have seen others mention, they have accidentally ddos’d the AUR on more than one occasion, they let certs expire regularly, they hold back updates without actually doing anything to confirm the updates are stable when they do push the updates…
As for endeavouros devs being part of a discontinued project, I can’t say anything that would bring back your trust as I am not part of that team, but they did do a write up about this on the endeavouros website.
Good first choice! Glad you like it :)
Pop_OS I s a great first “it just works” experience.
But also, don’t be af aid to be a bit of a distro slut. I’ve been distro hopping lately and it’s very liberating.
If you want to try another, “it just works” experience, I highly recommend bazzite. It doesn’t exactly work for me because of the immutability, and I run high end hardware in weird configurations, Ill need to hop in and wrench on things from time to time. But I installed it in my exploration last week and found it immensely pleasurable.
If anyone wants to provide some guidance for how to overcome some of the issues immutability creates (I need specific versions of ollama and rocm), I could really use the help.
Pop_OS I s a great first “it just works” experience.
This is my hope. I figure I’ll use this until I find some niche reason to need something else.
I saw a lot of positive talk about Bazzite too.
Of course never an issue with just sticking with Pop. It’s a great distro to start with but also a great distro to die with after many years of love.
Most distro are the same just with different defaults anyhow. Bazzite would be the exception though lol (also a great choice to be clear)
Bazzite looks pretty cool, I’m setting up a computer for my friend’s from my old PC parts and might set up either that or Pop_OS on it
I concur, I went with bazzite for my daily driver and it’s been the best yet, I prefer it over the others I’ve tried: Arch, SteamOS, Fedora, Ubuntu, Mint, and OpenSuse.
It’s got downsides, but I just really like it.
I’m using its non-gaming sister, Bluefin, and same. While I’m pretty decent at the CLI and have laboriously figured out how to make things work in the past, that’s not where I want to put my energy. I like that it just works and I’m not going to mess anything up on the system level. Containerization and rollbacks are fine by me if I don’t have to figure out how to un-bork something.
The biggest thing I’ve heard people suggest (and I’ve been using) is to install distrobox. I use it to install some fussy apps that otherwise would have been a dealbreaker. Maybe that helps?
I’ll give it a shot, but tbh, it’s been a bit of a slog. I’m on the new Z13, the 128gb variant.
I can’t find an “it just works” variant where both ollama and rocm play nice on the hardware AND the mediatek card works correctly. It’s either I’m able to self host fullsize llms (and do the rest of my ml work) OR I get fully functional wifi.
I’ve got the whole install process for ollama + rocm + openwebui all set on Ubuntu, but the wifi card is barely getting 20 mbps. But access to rocm (and I assume it will be the same in pytorch) is buttery smooth and I can run medium models in the range of hundreds of tokens per second locally.
When I throw on bazzite I’m hitting 350 mbps down but it doesn’t seem like it’s got the right rocm/ driver/ kernel/ ollama combo because I’m not even able to get 5 tps.
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If I’ve said this on Discord once, I’ve said it a hundred times. Fuck no.
Cry harder.
Congrats!
Great success
Why couldn’t it have been heroin
In this economy?
welcome to freedom!
PART OF THE CREW, PART OF THE KERNEL!
Finally a good use of bullying.
I am surprised it’s snappy since pop_os is one of the heavier distros but it’s still better than windows 11 I guess lol.
I am actually curious how much the speed changed exactly now are there any experiences like “it used to take 20 minutes to boot on windows” and so on?
Is actually kind of sad. Microsoft Windows does have a really stable and performant core. It has some bad decisions made years ago that legacy compatibility holds them back on, but even so it’s amazing it works as well as it does.
But they ruin all that by piling on the BS literally nobody wants but they have decided you must have.
Well, the PC is an older one and hadn’t been in use in years, so it has HDDs (a small SSD for the OS), was running windows 8 still, and I think has an unusual amount of DDR3 RAM. Maybe 24gb?
It was taking 5-10min to boot (the first boot took 20, and I was worried it was dead). When I was transferring files off of it before formatting everything, it was so slow that I had to leave it on overnight. Basic tasks were hanging. Just imagine your typical end of life, bloated Windows PC that hadn’t had a fresh reinstall in a while.
Now, Pop!_OS boots in a matter of seconds, minimal delay in opening apps/moving files/downloading stuff/etc. It could probably be faster, but it feels like it’s brand new relative to how it was functioning before.
Oh geez, I completely forgot the feeling of installing a fresh new windows on a comp (like windows XP, hung onto a version called XP-black for the longest). Now adays it’s more about removing crap windows installs so it runs smoother. I wish I felt that way about linux, it is faster but I’m always jumping between distros and feels more like a test run to see if I like it.
Well, my KDE-based distro on my 10-year-old cheapo (350€) laptop feels snappier than Win11 on my brand new 1500€ work-laptop.
Admittedly, there are some company specific things like security scanner apps (and the mandatory MS-Office behemoth…) that are not present on the Linux-machine, but it is still a 20-core/64GByte high end machine behaving more sluggish than a 2-core/8GByte totally outdated potato…
So, I am not really surprised about OP’s snappiness observation.I use Linux Mint Cinnamon, which is the main full-featured flavor that basically looks like the win10 desktop at first startup.
It runs like greased lightning compared with Windows on the same machine, or any windows install I’ve used recently.
That was one of my favorite things about switching to FOSS in general. It is made by people who care about it being good at it’s purpose, and probably use it themselves. Compare that to commercial software, where the list of stakeholders in major decisions is a mile long, and the primary stakeholders that everybody wants to please (shareholders) are often not associated in any way with the creation or the use of the program.
