Tbh, anyone getting actually mad at Biden over Hunter getting pardoned is kind of funny. Like, there’s way way better reasons to have grown to dislike Joe. Oh no, the president pardoned his son for form filing crimes.
Who cares?
He’s Mr. Genocide. This is actually one of the few actually human things he’s done.
I’m not mad at Joe, I’m mad at the libs who are defending the behavior. The dude drove recklessly while on crack, if anyone else did that they would be a slave in a US supermax for the rest of their life.
It’s funny that so many actually believed his BS. All so they could convince themselves they were “the good people”. It’s just so ridiculous.
They didn’t punch us directly. They paid people for that. That’s why they are better than everyone. See how they sit above us?
You really start to get all those older writings about the dangers of upper classes cause they really do get apathetic and assume moral superiority just on existence after a while.
There is one party closely associated with judging others and is filled with elitist snobs.
I’m sorry but the fact that people are so outraged with Biden for doing this is exactly why Kamala lost.
Trump and the Democrats are held to completely different standards. Trump is willing to fight dirty, and that’s why he won. It sucks to hear but it’s true.
You’re absolutely right that they dont fight dirty enough. Hiwever, I’d say that Democrats lost largely because Kamala was too cowardly to distance herself from biden and his awful policies. She lost because she chose to court moderate Republicans (who gave her the finger and voted for the fascist. Big surprise!).
Biden pardoning his loser son does nothing for the most marginalized folks who will have to deal with Trump’s fascist regime in the coming year. It’s not a good look that the only time Biden “fights dirty” is to serve his own interests.
Democrats are also willing to fight dirty to win at all cost. They just did
You are confused what winning means for them. It is not forgiving student loan or raising minimum wage.
In the end, if people aren’t willing to vote against fascism, you cannot prevent it by establishing new rules (or in this case breaking the old ones).
Yeah a lot of people blaming Biden when we all had a fair shot at voting against fascism. We suck. May as well actually accept that.
Don’t put yourself down at the request of those above you.
Pssh. I mean, I voted. I did my part. Millions others though didn’t.
I don’t why lemmy people find it so hard to not blame the DNC and actually blame the people who either voted for fascism or did nothing to stop it. Maybe because some of them are the very same as the latter.
Cause it’s not productive and doesn’t do anything.
We can blame the people that voted for it and not for it all we want but they are a manifestation of other issues. There is not a specific person you can blame when the numbers hit the millions. It becomes useless musing.
People don’t think like you. Just you. It then becomes on us and those that lead and aim to gather the support of others to figure out why they didn’t reach more.
Sure it does. Same way you shame bad parts of society. Non voters deserve blame and shaming. Ignoring their abdication of civic duty just entrenches their bad behavior by excusing it.
You can’t vote your way out of fascism but you can certainly vote your way into it.
Maybe one of these days the liberals will fucking learn from history.
I love it how the liberals think “Well Trump did it too!” is some kind of own. America is so comically corrupt it is hard to take their government and the people who support it seriously
Lmao there are loads of those comments in this thread. I need to start blocking libs because they say so much fascist apologia
Wait when did Biden abuse his powers to prevent fascism?
Currently he’s creating a comfy transition for one to become president.
That was the point, he didn’t. he used it selfishly for his son. which is understandable. but we’re mocking him for it because he didn’t use it to do anything useful. Which coincidentally is also why we didn’t want to keep him or harris as president.
Ah, thanks!
I’ve been trying to say this I don’t ever want to hear republicans complain about people again Unwritten rules are out the window
The double standards on this are driving me mad, good on him tbh
I’m gonna grab a lot of popcorn 🍿 when Trump supporters suffer under the upcoming tariffs
umm, how about just having standards?
Why wouldn’t he pardon others with the same charges?Look, Biden only pardons drug offenders who are the victims of a concerted political effort to mess with their lives.
Everyone who is upset about this fails to comprehend that the world has fundamentally changed since then and Americans literally voted trump into office.
Either that or they’re paid trolls. Hard to tell sometimes.
It’s funny how they will be all hush hush when he starts pardoning the j6 morons.
Everyone that criticizes Biden or democrats must surely be a paid troll or not understand the world like me the adult in the room
Do you people not realize we hear this tritte smug bullshit day in an day out and it doesn’t make you sound smart.
You don’t understand that republicans are trying to outrage you over nothingburger after nothingburger. Its OK, it takes a long time to learn that lesson, but until you do you’re playing into fascist hands.
You don’t understand that we don’t actually give a fuck about the pardon of Hunter, it is a demonstration of all the shit he could do to help people in his last days in office, just going ham with pardons and executive orders and he did literally nothing, not even student debt relief. Do not talk to me like a child when you yourself come in here not even knowing wtf YOU are talking about.
This condescending bullshit from someone that doesn’t even understand what is so infuriating about this move in the absence of helping actually deserving people is what everyone is shitting on him for. I am not even outraged because I am not surprised. What does outrage me are liberals like you that don’t even understand what everyone is dunking on.
That’s not abuse, that’s remediation of a political lynching wholly motivated by the butthurt babies in congress
I want to be mad, but this is nothing compared to who trump pardoned.
compared to who Trump pardoned
…and will soon add himself to that list.
I literally don’t care about the Hunter pardon. Trump pardoned Russian spies. I think pardoning a child for a dumb drug offence is fine. 🤷♂️
I think pardoning a child for a dumb drug offence is fine. 🤷♂️
His son is hardly a child at 54 years old. Biden is also responsible for thousands of people behind bars because of “a dumb drug offense”.
I don’t think that Trump should be the bar for morality and ethics in this country. It’s lazy to bring him into this conversation.
You’re right. I should have said “his son” instead.
And America has proven nobody cares except the Democrats who don’t vote for high horse reasons son who cares.
Going back three decades when everyone thought a “war on drugs” would be a good idea is also lazy to bring into this conversation. As President, Biden freed more victims of that war than all other presidents
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Biden sponsored the crime bill that put those people behind bars in the first place.
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Biden abused his powers to pardon his son for crimes that other people will remain in prison for. Crimes that are more severely punished because of Biden.
Its actually quite relevant to the conversation
Abused his power?
Abused his power?
Yes, I would say that pardoning your own son as president is a conflict of interest, unethical, and an abuse of power. It demonstrates that Hunter is above the laws that Joe Biden helped architect. I’m surprised that this sentiment is so controversial.
No no it’s not.
Did his actions breach the rules in place for issuing pardons?
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His son is hardly a child at 54 years old.
I’m sure parents always will see their children as children, no matter their age.
I’m specifically talking about the silly framing of “a child” rather than “his child”
I care that he’s not pardoning people in immigration detention. Instead he just pardons his crackhead son and leaves.
He can’t blanket pardon people. He would have to do one for each person.
He could still pardon them all, it’s not like his hand would cramp from signing too many papers! Go through, one by one, and pardon them all.
And all the people on federal death row, that Trump is going to kill.
And all the people with federal marijuana charges.
And people like Leonard Peltier and Julian Assange while he’s at it.
What’s stopping him?
Yup he could on the way out make dreamers and none criminal migrant citizens but nope. Remember it’s a small club and we ain’t in it. Also shows Democratic leadership is happy with any outcome of elections because they still come out on top regardless. Did Nancy Pelosi’s or Obama’s life become more hard because of election? Nope. Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries are still going to get their beachfront Villas in Gaza. So they never really try to win.
Hakeem Jeffries is still the main Democrat who directly backed and supported Eric Adams in his bid for NYC Mayor and when asked about the indictment said this:
We need Eric Adams to be successful as mayor because he is the mayor
Jeffries is just another Pelosi and was picked because he doesn’t care either. He won’t apparently try for better just enough to make sure they keep as much power as they can.
That is very cute but any time you start talking about Russian spies republicans can now say Hunter Biden. What you meant to say is you only care when Trump does it.
Who gives a fuck about what the republicans or democrats say anymore? They’re all corrupt rich people who are full of shit and don’t give a fuck about you and never did.
Oh no! The two pro capitalist pro imperialist parties are trading barbs about dumb shit!
This I can respect.
Thanks. I respect what biden did for his son because the republicans would do (have done?) the same shit.
What I don’t respect is the endless wars of imperialism, the genocide, the handing over power peacefully to overt fascists, and biden not doing a single fucking thing while he’s a lame duck to protect us from the incoming government.
What can he even do, short of doing the exact same thing Trump did on Jan 6th and essentially starting off open, armed conflict? Anything he tries to pass now will be immediately thrown out after Jan 20th. Increase SCOTUS seats? GOP will either just undo it or add even more to counteract it. He can’t make new laws, he can only do executive orders, which Trump can easily undo. So again, that leaves only violence, and we all know that won’t play out well, since that’d pretty much require Biden to kill off enough politicians, including Trump and Vance, to give the Democrats the majority in both the House and Senate. Outside of being unlikely, that sets a really dangerous precedent that would definitely backfire down the road.
Bottom line is that politicians aren’t going to fix this, since the root of the problem lies within the electorate.
The root of the problem is capitalism and imperialism, and the only way out at this point is a general wildcat strike and then violence. This country will never unify under labor power so violence it is.
I’d argue it’s capitalism without guardrails for consumer and worker protections that’s more problematic than capitalism itself. Just like with socialism, if it isn’t implemented and/or continually protected correctly, it eventually spirals into degeneracy.
And I’d like for society to avoid violence as much as possible. Anyone that throws that out as an option without heavy hesitation are those that haven’t experienced the horrors of open warfare/ violence at scale.
I would say at least the good portion of blame falls on our voting and economic system. We did not create the systems that oppress us, that would be the 1%.
Perhaps this is why slave rapist Thomas Jefferson said “God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion”.
By that logic you’d respect the democrats if they overtook the capital as well? Republicans doing something is a horrible reason to do anything.
Oh my god, I’d have so much respect for them if they did that. They won’t. They’re going to gladly hand over power to fascists because taking the high road is always the right thing to do to liberals. That and tone policing anyone who suggests something stronger than marching around with signs ineffectually.
I’m 50-50 on this. Peaceful transition of power is about respecting the decision of the people. A reasonable reason to buck the peaceful transition would be if it didn’t align with the will of the people, but that will is so obfusicated and twisted that I can’t tell what it even is anymore. If you have an issue with the transition, you should have an issue with the process that got you there. Bucking only the transition isn’t attacking the issue, it’s throwing a tantrum because you lost.
A miscarriage of justice isn’t solved with a pardon, it needs systemic changes. The rules are wrong, and ignoring them sometimes won’t make things right. What I would respect is rebuilding the system to be more representative and less able to be twisted. Gerrymandering, conflicts of interest, voting availability, lobbying, voter knowledge, even the journalism industry as a whole; there are lots of huge problems out there, ignoring those resorting to an armed “nuh uh” at the last moment is stupid.
That said, installing a dictator has never gone well, and being petty and stupid is probably worth avoiding that. It’s probably worth quite a bit more really. So I wouldn’t like it, but I really couldn’t complain.
I do not respect what Biden did for his son because Biden did not do the same thing for every other person who suffered from republican (and democrat) policies. Primarily black inmates including those who suffered false trials.
Joe Biden did not save Marcellus Williams who was actually innocent.
The only reason I have respect for it is because for once democrats aren’t the party of piety and taking the high road. It’s actually a bit refreshing seeing them muck around in the mud.
You’re totally right though. A whole lot of people should be getting pardoned for the drug war biden himself was responsible for condoning as a senator for decades. But then how would the prisons and those who contract with them for slave labor profit? Will anyone think of the poor investors?
Its funny how when it comes to normal people its always the high road, when it comes to genocide it’s always a process he can’t change, but when it comes to his son, no more high road. No one on the left cares about the pardon, we care that of all the times to break precedent, its not to stop the genocide but to cover his son. When someone shows your their priorities believe them.
What’s more, Biden is the single most influential man in the mass incarceration of America. He wrote the fucking 90s crime bill ffs.
Here he is, talking about leniency for criminals who aren’t his son
any time you start talking about Russian spies republicans can now say Hunter Biden
Damn. Then I guess they win. All the Liz Cheneys in the world won’t be able to beat them
I would say that the issue is not who is doing the pardoning but who is being pardoned. There’s a clear difference between Hunter being pardoned and Russian assets being pardoned.
It does seem pretty banana republic-y
there are so many other people’s children in jail for dumb drug offences…
…That Biden specifically helped put there with his drug and police laws.
Finished that sentence for you.
I love how libs are utterly incapable of discussing things without using Trump for framing. He’s also not pardoning drug offenses, he’s pardoning the whole Burisma thing which is at the very least a FARA violation. That’s why the pardon is sweeping from the start of 2014.
I also love the “protect Hunter at all costs” framing. “a child” not “his child”, “a child”, a 44-54 year old child.
lol yeah he’s a middle aged crackhead
Sure but the Republicans have been going after hunter hard. That isn’t normal circumstances.
Forty-five years of neoliberal salami slicing via lesser-evilism is how we got to this place.
…A child?
I mean yes he is Joes child no matter how old he is.
…Wait, is Joe then also a child? Good grief, no wonder America went to shit, they let a fucking child be president!
Does “an offspring” sound better? A “progeny”!?
If you can’t deduct that they mean HIS child then I’m sorry but you’re why disinformation is so effective.
…Wow, y’all are really losing it over this, aren’t you?
Just tired of people being willfully ignorant
Frankly, I don’t know what you’re complaining about. If you standard for “child” is “has a parent”, then everyone on here is a child, you included. Just pardon them and move on.
I mean the it is the very definition of the word. A son or daughter an offspring.
Sounds like some classic whataboutism. What time is it in Moscow, comrade!?
All drugs should be legal.
We all know humanity will refuse to unclench our collective butthole regarding capitalism during our lives. At least let us get high as fuck on whatever we want while we wage slave to barely make it.
Perhaps it’s more about the working class suffering then it is about money and power. Remarkable if that’s true.
No they should not be without the other support networks in place. BC in Canada decimalized and it made shit worse. You need the support infrastructure in place to help people with addiction also.
Drugs should be legal, driving recklessly with guns while high should definitely not be legal. I don’t think Americans deserve to die for walking around despite how much I hate their country.
Tell Biden drugs should be legal to his face he’d have you enslaved at your nearest private prison. This is how little of a shit he gives about criminals and their upbringing. He should have kept that same energy, but as always, rules are for the poors.
Meth? Crack? Fentanyl?
Yes.
Making drugs illegal doesn’t stop use. It just makes it essentially impossible to know you’re getting a clean supply that isn’t laced with something else, or accidentally 100x as strong and it kills you. Plus it does nothing to address why these people felt the need to turn to these highly addictive and deadly drugs. If anything it makes the problem worse.
Based.
If everything else was legal, people would stop dying from drugs laced with fent.
Here is the only issue I have with the pardon. Once Kamala lost, Biden should have started to go hog wild with last minute shenanigans in order to give Americans things they actually need. Instead he decided to pardon Hunter a full month before leaving office rather than helping us out and doing the pardon on the last day. Now, even if he does do things that will help Americans, nobody will notice because of the pardon.
His administration is hopeless at messaging anyway so no one has known nor will they know anything Biden has done.
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They’d notice if he had Trump and all his goons disappeared to a black site… You know, as an official act… Against terrorism and traitors even
Who cares if anyone notices the good being done? Do it anyways. How does this prevent that?
Dems need someone to notice if they want to ever have a chance at the big chair before the 2030’s.
There’s not going to be a 2028 election.
Yes, all those people thinking there’s a next time after voting in Napoleon!
I guess we still live in 1870? Though looking at absolute scum like Trochu, Thiers or Mac Mahon they would be certainly worthy of current USA.
Why would the man that wrote the crime bill and helped throw millions of Americans in jail do anything to help Americans? 🤔
No wait, you’ll interrupt the natural process of jading that needs to occur before a larval leftist pupates.
Like a fine ice wine
They’re already trying to finalize rules, complete process do previously passed initiatives can be nailed down. The government can be very slow, and that’s a good thing for stability and fairness. It’s especially good to reduce the promised dumpster fire of the next four years.
Is there really anything he can start at this point that would have lasting effects? Going hog wild with shenanigans may be satisfying but not likely to do anything more than create headlines
I feel like creating headlines is sort of what the Democratic party needs right now though. They just lost what should be a slam dunk election largely because a bunch of people just didn’t show up. Flashy headlines probably make at least some of those people show up.
He has immunity. He could legit just start arresting people with the Guard
Now, even if he does do things that will help Americans, nobody will notice because of the pardon.
I don’t know why you’re so concerned for Genocide Joe’s legacy, but if his last 47 months are any indication, he’s unlikely to uncharacteristically give Americans what they actually need in his 48th.
Eh, he’s been pretty good over all. We’ve had better, though the list of worse Presidents is a bit longer. Over all, Joe did step up and get more done than expected for what felt like a forced square into a round hole situation. What he might not have done was solve YOUR issues.
I think the absolute atrocity was the genocide in Israel but then again I’m not a democrat.
I’m not saying it’s okay, but to give some historical context, literally every president of the past 80 years and the next 5 presidents would have and will do what Biden has done towards Israel.
It’s part of America’s foreign policy, which means there’s literally nothing we can do about, anyone hanging ones hat upon that alone is foolish. It sucks a lot and fuck Israel, but having America taking a hard-line against Israel is like asking water to stop being wet or Matt Gaetz to stop looking punchable
he was pretty good
he did some genocide but that is normal
You should do some self-criticism ASAP before you get correctly called a racist fascist.
This chancellor was pretty good, not a fan of his immigration policy but how about that Autobahn?
They were planned in 20’s and during III Reich only around 15% of the plan was complete, their importance was very limited because not many Germans had cars and overwhelming most of transportation both civilian and military was done by trains, but the PR was colossal and all the fash ever since masturbate to it (i know your post was ironic, but to add some context for people that might not get it).
Well, except REAGAN of all people, who told them to settle the fuck down on Lebanon, called it a genocide, and got the IOF to back off.
Ronald “AIDS is no concern, fuck the working class” Reagan was better on Israel than Joe Biden.
It’s part of America’s foreign policy, which means there’s literally nothing we can do about.
incorrect we did exactly what we needed to do. we fired him for it (among other reasons). unfortunately harris didn’t pick up on the message and as a result also wasnt hired as a result. enjoy your fascism.
I’m not saying it’s okay, but to give some historical context, literally every president of the past 80 years and the next 5 presidents would have and will do what Biden has done towards Israel.
Ronald fucking Reagan forced Israel into a ceasefire with Lebanon, Syria, and the Palestine Liberation Organization. And it was a real ceasefire, unlike the current joke of a ceasefire Israel has with Lebanon that it keeps violating, and it held for a long-ass time.
Not my buddy Jim Crow Joe, it’s these damn Republican fascists he considers his friends who won’t let him make America great again
You have to vote for democrats even if they’re openly genocidal because at least they’re not corrupt
He’s retiring and can help his one son. If I were him, I would have said “fuck it.” too…
And the people clearly voted overwhelmingly for fascism. So like, why go against the will of the people?
I also would have said fuck it and have Trump and friends sent to guantanamo.
The time to do this would’ve been immediately after it was discovered that Trump took classified documents and had them in his home during visits from foreign agents.
The Republicans would’ve howled about it, but I think it could have been done, at that moment. Like, have the first news about it not be talking about the documents, but simply that former President Trump has been detained and will not be allowed to communicate with anyone but his legal representation, because of suspicion of potential coded communication to enemy agents.
Thanks to Trump judges, Presidents have Absolute Immunity.
Joe can absolutely start draining the swamp.
If everyone who comments here emailed Joe Biden with suggestions as to how he could use his newly-expanded powers to help deserving people in America (or influenced by America) it would probably not make a difference, but there’s a non-zero possibility he’d actually do some of it.
