…sure?
This kid doesn’t know what he’s writing or why, he’s just coaxing cursor to vomit up commits and apparently that’s their only metric for success.
I work with AI tools and with people who are absolute top tier Cursor users and their shit is always broken. They iterate fast but they absolutely do not fully understand what they’re producing. It’s great for rolling out flashy UI quickly (apparently the only thing investors care about), then you watch it all go to shit the second you push because every update breaks everything in horrifying ways. It’s like watching the early days of enterprise C++/Java where everything was spaghetti, but 100x worse.
I don’t think this paradigm of AI is likely to rival a decent human developer, there needs to be a fundamental change in how the models work and how we use them. What were doing now is hoping quantity is somehow going to replace quality.
It’s astounding how many lowlifes are using commit counts to measure impact. It’s just throwing bisectability out the window and promoting stupid tactics for quick returns.
need a put option stock market tutorial please
You just predict the exact date the company will fail, and buy the puts expiring the following month.
I fully believe this guy has no idea how horrific the things he’s boasting about actually are.
As is the usual on LinkedIn
2 laptops to open 2 tabs?
Something something modern software resource utilization.
I hope all the CEOs like this guy go hard all in on AI and prove to the world that it’s a sound business decision.
And if they’re wrong, may they never complain about the hourly rates of contractors they have to call in to dig them out of the hole their AI dug for them.
guess how much people are gonna charge them for debugging 250K lines of AI code or better yet probably writing everything from scratch
250k lines of Cursor code
Oh no…
The more CEOs believe this, the more I will be able to demand in salary about 5 years from now.
Surely, Arno receives 10 times the salary, right?
In “eXpOsUrE” and “MaRkEt ExPeRiEnCe”
100% this kid is getting just as fucked over as the rest of us, and because he’s young the corpos have a smidge more time to do so before he gets pissed off too.
I saw a question posted recently asking what age everyone was when they learned that they weren’t going to get any rewards for working extra hard. I guess in some work it’s harder to see than in others.
20’s
An unpaid internist probably.
He is getting paid $15.50/hr Which is the state minimum wage.
I assumed they were in Estonia from the names
He doesn’t. And don’t call me Shirley
I’m 8-10 years from retirement and I’m fine with this. I always knew younger, better coders will come along. Anyone holding on to their 90s or 00s coding skills… Well… Good luck with that.
That, and this kid is still the very rare exception. I don’t think he’s representative of most 18 year olds.
They’re saying it’s because he’s using AI. They have 250k+ lines of cursor (LLM/AI) generated code in their codebase
Yep, understood. And I still don’t think this is a common skill for most 18 year olds. But I’d like to know if this is more common than I realize.
In principle it shouldn’t be very hard because premium versions of AI coding assistants keep regenerating the code until it compiles (without requiring anything after the initial prompt). After that it becomes a matter of checking whether the compiled code does what you want. If it does not you can tell it to fix those behaviours without knowing any/much coding at all. Though if you can’t point it to the location of the code that causes the problem, it becomes a tug of war. This is because they can’t really follow instructions like “keep the last change you made but do this” with %100 efficiency.
We shouldn’t even begin to discuss stuff like good practices. If the person using the AI coding assistant isn’t experienced in the field and doing stuff like coding databases, then you are pretty much at the mercy of AI. It may superficially seem to know what are good security practices but again if the person at the helm doesn’t know them and or can’t check them in the code, it is pretty much up to chance. See for instance:
https://www.veracode.com/blog/genai-code-security-report/
I feel like there might be a sweet spot for AI coding assistants but it is definitely not asking it to write a complete app or a website with a db from scratch. They should really tune it so that it can do the time consuming boiler plate stuff so people can actually focus on development, testing, and problem solving. Instead they try to develop it and sell it as an almost completely autonomous coder which seems like a futile effort for the current state of LLMs.
And precisely the approaches like “we don’t need old styled senior coders anymore we can get anyone to produce code for cheaper” is what might fuck us. There will be a gap in the transfer of good practices and experience from the older generation to the younger which AI won’t be able to fill. People will have to rediscover all of those again with probably quite a lot of pain for them and their users.
If it’s even true, this is like a 9 yo kid hitting a flip switch dumping 30 tons of sand. But repeatedly all day long. Good luck cleaning it all up.
The CEO also looks underage, graduated last year after an internship with Microsoft. I can’t find any record of investment in the company or even any record of incorporation (to be fair I didn’t look very hard). The CEO and his whizz-kid AI coder may be the two smartest people on the planet - stranger things have happened - but statistically, and going by available data only, listening very much to a teenager (or thereabouts) hawking the skill of another teenager (confirmed) is a bit like watching two drunk kids in town thumping their chests.
For sure younger people will grow up to replace older people - such is the way of the world - and a salty coder is usually undertaken by fresh talent coming in with new skill sets (been on both sides of that), but right now, there’s nothing demanding attention here.
I built a website that uses ChatGPT API for no particular reason whatsoever. Can I slap
AI-nativeon my resume?You can slap anything on your resume if you can explain it in the interview.
“This younger person is better than you and will take your job” oh boy like that’s something new that ceos have never said before.
This is an attempt to manipulate workers into accepting lower wages for longer hours. That’s what “AI” is to them.
I kind of feel bad for the kid and hope he’s actually learning something as he goes on.
If not he’ll be a “AI-native” McDonalds employee after the bubble bursts.
"You’re right, there is supposed to cheese on a cheeseburger. Please excuse my mistake“
boasting about child labour…Sir are you by any chance from Florida?
Sir I do believe the term you are looking for is “student af-uh-leets”
.Child labor? He’s a senior in high school, it’s common to have a job at that age.
He is being presented as a person who is being tasked with writing entire code bases and the same job as a senior developer. Even if we give him the benefit of doubt and assume that he is being paid handsomely (which I doubt since we are all very well aware of the mentality of such people whose sole goal is to use AI coders to pay as less as possible, none if possible), the responsibilities involved in this is a full time job, not the part time job most high schoolers do during summer time. Even then it is not “common” for high schoolers to work unless you have never left US. In many places, there are some that do unfortunately do need to work due to economic reasons. But rarely outside of US it is presented as excellent work ethics and patriotism. It is more common for people in mid to late university years to start working as “interns” not full time developers. Also see:
“The Convention on the Rights of the Child defines a “child” as a person below the age of 18, unless the relevant laws recognize an earlier age of majority.”
So if you are going to boast about a kid who is producing massive code bases, at least say something like “wow he is still not eighteen but look at what this kid is doing”, do not try to present that as the new norm. That is just pathetic greedy skill-less, spineless wanna-be intrapreneur behaviour.
I knew more than a few 17 year olds who dropped out of high school to work full time. One was emancipated. A few eventually got their GEDs. It’s not an easy life, but it’s reality for a lot of people.
If he’s capable of handling that level of responsibility I don’t see any reason he shouldn’t be allowed to. If he’s not capable, then the only person being harmed is his employer. Only thing I’m concerned about is whether or not he’s being compensated fairly.
Yes but I think the abnormality here is the guy trying to sell this as the new normal, not even to mention all the associated problems with basing an entire code base on AI (which is a different problem than boasting about getting kids to write your whole code base but related)
Yeah, the whole situation is definitely eyebrow raising.
Everyone is talking as if he was a real person.
He’s clearly AI generated.
Most people turn 18 during the last year of high school, which means that there is a very significant chance that the dev in question is still covered under child labor laws.
Maybe it is because I grew up in the North East United States, but when I was in high school, my classmates only worked seasonal or afternoon jobs.
Reality: he got a coworker’s kid to sit there for a photoshoot, for this post. That photo looks staged as fuck.
Photo being staged is not a good enough way to prove that the subject is not what he is claimed to be.
The guy might be hunched forward while actually working and might not be using as many devices, but still might be vibe coding.I remember having a staged photoshoot where I was asked to sit with another person next to me on my work computer, acting like I we were discussing something on screen. I ran some fancy stuff on screen for effect.
While actually working, I used to mostly talk directly while we both were sitting on our own systems, but that doesn’t change the fact that I worked there and had made said fancy stuff before.
