Got a comment removed yesterday for ‘hate speech’.
Lemmy .world is just Blue MAGA complaining about Reddit being Red MAGA.I saw that; it was particularly ghoulish because it was in a comment section full of actual, overt hate speech. But that hate speech was directed at America’s enemies, so guess who’s catching the ban.
There’s been so many blue maga types popping up since the news came out and it’s hella annoying. For an entire day on bluesky you couldn’t go anywhere without seeing some ex Facebook boomer blue maga type glazing genocide joe. God forbid you said anything against him and you got absolutely dog piled and scolded by people who were one wrong turn away from being Trumps strongest soldier.
Genocide is an antiseptic term for a very nasty thing.
I think a lot of people are neglecting to think of Biden’s lifetime record in public office. The United States is the nation on Earth with the greatest proportion of its own citizens imprisoned and we have Biden’s 1994 crime bill in large part to thank for that. Unfortunately it wasn’t terribly shocking when he went on to be more supportive of the Palestinian genocide than any other president in US history other than Trump.
They’re not neglecting it, they’re purposefully ignoring it. People will tag (correctly, mind you) Reagan, Nixon, and Dubya as the issue of modern America, but if you bring up the voting/writing record of the most recent Blue Guy, somehow its not their fault, people are allowed to change, people can learn better, etc. etc.
Every liberal would be cheering and partying in the streets if Trump got stage 4 cancer.
Then they turn around and say “Wow you’re so uncivil for cheering for the guy who has aided in a genocide, helped make COVID a permanent issue, ignored kids in cages, and made Trump run again.”
Do they just not see all the issues with their favorite candidates or are they just unable to witness their own doublethink?
Putting a finer point on it, they would be ecstatic if it were Sanders.
If Sanders keeled over, .world would be smugly saying “Aren’t we glad he didn’t have a chance at winning? He would have turned Murica into a socialist commie hellhole!”
Remember when they got mad after Trump said “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn’t lose any voters”? They said it was cult-like behavior by his followers.
But when Biden bombs children, or backs a genocide, it’s somehow not cult-like behavior to keep supporting him.
Murder is bad when its the other guys, our murder is just the way things are, nothing can be done to prevent it.
Blue MAGA is not a saying born lightly. These people are truly incapable of seeing their own party for the monters they are.
And then when you call them out, you’re calling being a useful idiot for having a braincell that wasn’t fed propaganda for a doupoly.
Every time someone says “Blue MAGA isn’t a thing” I just roll my eyes and recall every time I was right about the DNC failing to protect the democracy they claim to support, and got downvoted, banned, flamed, censored, etc.
I can’t excuse either genocide or cancer jokes.
I think gloating about cancer is gross.
I also think using cancer as an excuse for hagiography of a man who knowingly sold weapons for an ongoing genocide is gross.
Watch out, you’re going to upset the folks at lemmy.world
.world is upset anytime someone lightly criticizes their favorite politicans, we can ignore them.
And the german feddit
The ‘good german’ feddit.
Feddit already permabanned me for calling the German government Nazis a few weeks ago so their precious eyes are protected from seeing this meme.
What if I don’t give a flying fuck about Biden? And I find both the people dancing about his nearing demise and the people clutching their pearls about that fucking stupid? There are almost certainly more important things of substance to place your energy into.
I’m so fucking tired.
Less than a year ago he was the Democratic nominee for president. The fact that he was obviously unfit for the job is an indictment of all the Democrats who lied about his health for years.
This is very much relevant to the future of the Democratic Party, not a “gosh who cares”
That’s not what the people who are gleeful about his impending death are downright cheering about. They’re gleeful because of their parasocial hatred of the man.
What you are talking about is an entirely different discussion. You are just shifting the goalposts.
I hate Biden because he had a major hand in letting Trump win, but I legitimately do not give a fuck that hes dying of cancer, pro or con. He is irrelevant now. And the people invested in this are experiencing their own derangement syndrome, only worse than most cases because Biden is no longer even president.
The gleeful people are gleeful because the man is responsible for a genocide, and a painful death is the only measure of justice he’ll get. “Parasocial” is a term for obsessivelt following twitch streamers, not seeking any sort of accountability for the most powerful person in the world.
Plenty of people are also rightfully upset at further proof that Democratic leadership lied to them, and lied to them in a way that threw a layup election to Republicans.
Well, he did enslave and/or murder millions of people so there is plenty of revenge to be had
I won’t excuse genocide. And apparently I’m the devil because of it.
If someone can excuse genocide that’s a personal failing they should see to.
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Libs stop thinking in electoralist terms challenge [back-breakingly toilsome]
Democrat politicians abandoned you decades ago and don’t have your interest in mind, please please PLEASE stop defending them/putting your hopes on them (and the electoral Kabuki theater in general) and do something about your situation yourselves. Organize, build community, help people in need, use your privilege where it matters.
It’s too late for elections, even more if that’s the one and only thing you’re willing to do politically. You might “win” a presidential term for a democrat president next time but the damage is already done and everything is rotting around you.
All this dumb bickering about “voting for the lesser evil” is incredibly frustrating for people from countries who endured dictatorships. So if anything, listen to them and act before it’s too late.
I got plenty of downvotes for not having sympathy for biden the other day
If we bully him enough, the genocide will stop.
He needed to be bullied more while he had power
is that relevant
Not to people who didn’t want our involvement with netanyahu’s genocide to cease.
Yes, the bullying could work on someone who has power, but its a few months too late to sway biden on anything
Ah – I was being sarcastic when I said “if we bully him enough, the genocide will stop.” Perhaps I should have added
/s.
How Chase Oliver would handle Israel | Centre Stage shorts
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZUKEznaw8aU
Oh, and the USSR—under Stalin—was the first country to recognize the Zionist state of Israel.
The USSR and Stalin were bad, whats your point? Can you say the same of biden and condemn him?
I sometimes think of this when leftists, particularly tankies, attack (presumably all) non-far-right non-leftists for dithering, or allegedly dithering, on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict;
but yeah, Joe Biden was/is bad for supporting Israel. Ditto Harris, Bill Maher, and Fetterman.
And just to be clear, we’re not attacking them for “dithering” on the Palestine genocide (not “conflict”, genocide); we’re attacking them for actively and consistently supporting the genocide. The idea that they’re just “dithering” is a lie liberals tell themselves so they can keep supporting genocidal fascists without feeling bad about themselves.
So according to you, there are no non-leftists who oppose the genocide of Palestinians.
You know somebody has completely run out of arguments when they start doing the “So according to you , [something that in no way resembles anything say said]” thing.
I’ll take that as a “Yes, no non-leftists oppose the genocide of Palestinians.”
OK. I can’t stop you from ignoring what I said and making up your own unrelated statement in your imagination.
Whataboutism
I suppose some of it, yes; but still, maybe tankies shouldn’t generalize too much.
You say, generalising
Yes, I suppose.
Yeah Biden absolutely could’ve withheld aid and ended the genocide with 1 phone call but he loves genocide too much
I think it’s indifference rather than love, but yeah, he could have done so much with so little to stop it, with little risk of the Democrats losing the White House in 2024. Ditto Harris. (Ditto Trump—health concerns aside, he still has 45 months to at least try to redeem himself a bit.)
Biden has a life time of publicly loving the genocidal state of Israel.
I suppose; but many Americans preferred him to Trump.
Ok, what’s your point?
Many Americans would rather vote for a leader who supports Israeli genocide of Palestinians a little less than the Republican candidate who supports Israeli genocide of Palestinians a little more. It’s why if I was American, I’d support neither Democrats nor Republicans.
Ok…? What does any of that have to do with the point at hand?
It’s also not true, Biden has been a hard core supporter of Israel’s genocide for decades, the idea that he supports it less than the Republicans is just genocide apologia.
The Leahy law required that he withhold arms sales.
He broke the law for netanyahu.
Then I suppose he can be prosecuted.
By whom?
Presumably an American court.
Neither democrats nor republicans are willing to prosecute, so the law is meaningless.
Lucky you.
Yeah apparently there was something going on where USSR and Jews had an amicable relationship because of the history of Jewish people always existing in Russia, and them saving them from nazi Germany
Did you get that in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?
Pretty sure Russia was Pogrom king and they wanted to get rid of the Jews too.
Didn’t German Jews support Germany in WWI as they saw it as less antisemitic than Russia?
So my history on Eastern Europe is quite lacking and this might be completely wrong but from what I recall Russia conquered a few countries like Poland and Ukraine and suddenly they had Jews living in them. Then Russia started doing Pogroms (The word Pogrom was inventen in Russia). Knowing that, I would assume that German Jews at that time would not be very warm to Russian conquest but I really don’t have enough historical knowledge on the subject.
Yes, would you be interested in starting a separate thread for further discussion? I’d also like to clear up my fuzziness. As a US-ian educated before education was quite as bad as it is now, I wouldn’t have known about Herzl’s attitudes that influenced his work, nor the Balfour agreement, had it not come up for an online discussion that came up with regard to Israel and Palestine in the late nineties or early aughts.
I feel like if we started a thread discussing this it would be like two AI’s hallucinating against eachother. I’m also not very interested in Herzls backstory, for the simple reason that he saw the Palestinians the same way (or even worse) as the Europeans treated the Jews.
Herzl himself also was a very rich dude from a rich family and he certainly didn’t face any of the suffering or antisemtism which other Jews faced at the time.
I feel like if we started a thread discussing this it would be like two AI’s hallucinating against eachother.
I certainly can understand that, while also wanting to get to the bottom of this! I’ll probably start a new thread about it, but not right now.
Regarding his back story, I find it immensely interesting in that he was racist all around.
Herzl himself also was a very rich dude from a rich family and he certainly didn’t face any of the suffering or antisemtism which other Jews faced at the time.
Oh wow! You writing that struck like lightning! Maybe his racism against Jews and Palestinians boils down to classism.
but I really don’t have enough historical knowledge on the subject.
Me neither. 😁
But yeah, that’s kind of my take on it too. Thanks for your reply. 🙂
Afaict, it’s because Herzl was an antisemetic Jew. He considered himself one of the good ones and Balfour made relocation more expedient. This isn’t blaming the Jews suffering under the Reich for flight rather than flight. They found themselves in an impossible situation, otherwise, afaict.
Apparently Herzl died 10 years before WWI.
FWIW:
wp:History of the Jews in Germany#World War I
A higher percentage of German Jews fought in World War I than of any other ethnic, religious or political minority in Germany; around 12,000 died in the fighting.[41][42]
Many German Jews supported the war out of patriotism; like many Germans, they viewed Germany’s actions as defensive in nature and even left-liberal Jews believed Germany was responding to the actions of other countries, particularly Russia. For many Jews it was never a question as to whether or not they would stand behind Germany, it was simply a given that they would. The fact that the enemy was Russia also gave an additional reason for German Jews to support the war; Tsarist Russia was regarded as the oppressor in the eyes of German Jews for its pogroms and for many German Jews, the war against Russia would become a sort of holy war. While there was partially a desire for vengeance, for many Jews ensuring Russia’s Jewish population was saved from a life of servitude was equally important – one German-Jewish publication stated “We are fighting to protect our holy fatherland, to rescue European culture and to liberate our brothers in the east.”[43][44] War fervour was as common amongst Jewish communities as it was amongst ethnic Germans ones. The main Jewish organisation in Germany, the Central Association of German Citizens of the Jewish Faith, declared unconditional support for the war and when 5 August was declared by the Kaiser to be a day of patriotic prayer, synagogues across Germany surged with visitors and filled with patriotic prayers and nationalistic speeches.[45]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Herzl
Theodor Herzl[a] (2 May 1860 – 3 July 1904)[3] was an Austro-Hungarian Jewish journalist and lawyer who was the father of modern political Zionism. Herzl formed the Zionist Organization and promoted Jewish immigration to Palestine in an effort to form a Jewish state. Due to his Zionist work, he is known in Hebrew as Chozeh HaMedinah (חוֹזֵה הַמְדִינָה), lit. ‘Visionary of the State’.[4][5] He is specifically mentioned in the Israeli Declaration of Independence and is officially referred to as “the spiritual father of the Jewish State”.[6]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herzl’s_Mauschel_and_Zionist_antisemitism
Yep.
his Wikiquote page:
Were I to sum up the Basel Congress in a word — which I shall guard against pronouncing publicly — it would be this: At Basel, I founded the Jewish State. If I said this out loud today, I would be answered by universal laughter. Perhaps in five years, certainly in fifty, everyone will know it.
Herzl Diary entry (3 September 1897), a few days after the First Zionist Congress in Basel, Switzerland, as quoted in 'Nonstate Nations in International Politics: Comparative System Analyses (1977) by Judy S. Bertelsen, p. 37; 50 years after writing this in his diary, the state of Israel was established.
I feel it would be helpful to me to have a conversation regarding this, at some point, at least clear up some of my own confusion, but probably not itt.
