It depends on what communities you subscribe to. You’re not going to get much hostility in a gardening sub, but you will get it in political sub. With that said, my reddit score is very polite. Always has been. My secret is being aware of my emotions and not responding when I’m being egged.
No I just hate you all equally
This fits with our understanding of personality disorders, which is that they are a small percentage of our society—around 10.5 percent, according to the recent DSM-5-TR.3
Idk, I consider 10% to be pretty high. If you add in selection bias, you could get an actual majority in a community having personality disorders just because the non-jerks largely self-select themselves out.
That said, I still think the conclusions here shouldn’t be taken at face value. The data was from surveys, and while I haven’t read their methodology, I would certainly hesitate to accept results of a survey for something like this (and for <10k responses). I personally find I’m more confrontational online, though I hope I’m generally still way more respectful than your common jerk.
The results are certainly interesting though.
I am hostile to those that relish in cruelty to others. To those that engage in cringe culture, or bully others for just wanting to live their lives without harming anyone.
I’ll accept people getting heated and passionate, but I will never accept cruelty, or worse: self-righteous cruelty. Believing someone needs to be ‘punished’ for some slight and so anything is justified against them.
Basically KiwiFarms and the whole lolcow industrial complex can go fuck themselves.
Not according to my Reddit user score and perhaps Lenny’s if there is one. Have not looked yet. So not all. I really just like the add to the discussion and help others where I can.
I go more for ‘tiresomely cynical’, but whatever.
IMO online commenters are increasingly showing pathological binary thinking - the attitude that there are exactly two sides to every issue - the Right one and the Wrong one. Questioning ANY aspect of the Right one means you’re obviously a hardcore supporter of EVERY aspect of the Wrong one. You’re either morally and ethically pure or your character is a wretched hive of scum and villainy. To me it’s a really paradoxical way of thinking about diversity and acceptance - more like we’re supposed to either wholeheartedly embrace people or despise them.
It’s not new, it happened a lot on Reddit, and I get a bit of that in real life too.
People are tribalist, and that sucks.
For example, if you read Lemmy comments without any real world experience, you’d think everyone who voted for Trump hates brown people and wants poor people to die. But I have family and close friends who voted for that douchebag, and they are good people, they just thought he’s a better option (and they generally don’t follow politics too much). And I don’t blame them, Harris had a crappy campaign, basically promising the same bad policies Biden had, and Clinton before her was worse. Why should they be interested in politics if we keep getting poor options?
People aren’t black and white. Yet we caricaturize them as such.
Yeah. I see a surprising amount of it on Lemmy. It is behavior I’m used to seeing from the far right, Qanon, and other brainwashed vectors. I watched the Russians propagandize the right on Reddit.
These, however, are nominal leftists engaging in stark black and white thinking. I’m not sure if they’re state level shills, bots, really believe it and are brainwashed tankies, or true believers living in China or similar. Maybe it’s dumb kids being taken in by propaganda.
Calling the binary thinkers leftists or shills of some other thing is just another form of simplistic binary thinking - put a black hat on them and boom, you’re done. I think this is a lot of people’s way of dealing with the constant firehose of information we think we have to process because it’s in our endless feeds. We have an always full inbox, and some of us deal with that by processing each item as fast as possible, using minimal thought to tell ourselves we’ve got it figured out so we can swipe on it and scroll on to the next issue. This is leading to a pattern of superficial snap judgements, stereotyping, and ultimately various forms of social bigotry.
I think it’s more dumb kids than anything.
I try to correct it where I can because hopefully a handful will reconsider their stance and grow as a person, but they certainly won’t admit to it.
This is usually how people treat fascists. Not sure what’s surprising about it
Could you elaborate? I don’t understand
Age group…
IMO, the reason is because scientists haven’t found a way to punch someone in their face over the internet yet.
They send SWAT teams to their houses, which is pretty close.
It doesn’t quite have the same satisfying crunch though…
I’ve long thought that phones needed a taze button. Every telephone in the world should have the power to deliver a high power electric shock to the user, and the phone network should only allow the callee to taze the caller. So if you call someone, the person you have called can taze you.
I don’t see any problem with the telephone network that can’t be solved by putting a 30,000 volt potential across the caller’s jaw. Make it work on call bots too, if a computer automatically calls you and you don’t want it to, put Shearon Harris on the line. Modern problems require 2nd Amendment solutions, and if you elect me as your president in 2028 it is these policies that I shall energetically enact.
I like to carry an air horn for when scammers and other nuisances call.
How often do you have to go get the mics on your phone replaced?
Not yet. 😂
Dang! Some decent hardware then! How bout your own hearing? Getting tinnitus yet? What level of hearing protection are you using?
I’m an old Army veteran, I’ve had tinnitus for years. I’m using a Pixel.
Sorry, pardon?
Never even fiddled around with someone else’s Pixel, how do you like it?
Clearly it deals with being blasted by an air horn 3-15+ times a day, other than robust mics how is the build quality?
Fuck you!
I won’t do what you tell me.
Fuck you and I’ll see you tomorrow!
Misclicked
I’m not your you, buddy!
I have. I honestly try not to be. There’s just so many uncaring shits online. It makes me sick to think of how fucked up these trolls are to relish causing others distress. Then I become a dick
I’m trying to be better
There’s just so many uncaring shits online.
I wonder how much “hate” on the internet is this… but the reality is that is how you “see” them in your head rather than what they’re actually saying/believe. A lot of negative responses to some of the things I say is a strawman of what I actually believe/said.
Yeah see, I don’t buy that. I can say things in a less than PC way, but it takes tow to argue. If I don’t make an effort to be understood, I can’t be pissed when I’m not
And since I can’t force others do that, I can only do what I can
We are all responsible for what we say , good and bad
But thank you for sharing, sincerely
but it takes tow to argue
Eh… It really doesn’t though does it? One side can be sincerely stating points of fact/logic and others often can and do often ascribe that as “you’re a terrible person for saying that!”.
We are all responsible for what we say , good and bad
Good and bad are subjective though. There is often no black and white. I often cite and source things to show that I’m not stating anything as a matter of opinion… and out of the blue some rando comes out and tries ascribing some sense of moral straw-man claiming that I must believe something or another. Here’s an example from literally last night…
I made no statement that could even be construed as putting words in other people’s mouths… yet someone straw-manned me by definition (and didn’t even know the word for it) by Smee there trying to make some grand point that nobody was even making at that point but they thought I was.
Edit: Actually you don’t even need to look at an entirely different thread… Just look at the other response to me. Someone who wasn’t even in the conversation comes out of the blue and ascribes something I never said nor could ever have been construed as and took it to some straw-man end game nonsense.
Let me show you why it takes two…
Have a good evening
Someone hacked a roomba last year to yell the N word at people on a mic.
The WORLD has become more hateful, it is not simply perception.
I went to high school in the south, I’m not white.
The hate is not something you can process, the worst we see online, the Andrew tates, the people calling for all brown people to be deported to El Salvador, that’s Disney compared to them.
Becauae it was all they had, and the hate infused them down to the cells, such that it was all they had keeping them going.
Trump took the lid off, let them feel more comfortable talking in public.
But these are people who casually discuss how the only way to heal the world is to exterminate all the Muslims and jews, how we should nuke China now because we can, and how atheists and anybody more left than Trump needs to be castrated now for the good of America.
To people shocked at the toxicity, I think you grew up in far more sheltered places.
Dude I grew up dirt poor on govt cheese in the 70s and 8os. Homeless at times, hunted and fished more for food than bought it
Sheltered? Nah.
Saddened… Dismayed? Yes
Maybe sheltered isn’t the right word.
You grew up in a nurturing home.
Everyone didn’t have that luxury, and many grew up to be assholes.
I watched my father try to kill my mother and was on the streets at 16. Nice try
I don’t say that in a mean way. I will not pretend to know your story. I can’t. Especially those who are poc( I don’t know yours and am not trying to be personal so I’m not asking )
What I’m saying is I can’t understand a poc’s full experience. I’ll never have to tell my kid to watch out for cops because of his skin color.
I can, however, understand how others sink into the anger despair and rage. I know what it’s like to wake in a jail cell, I know what hardship really is.
I also know that it is never overcome through cruelty. In fact that puts everyone, including the perpetrator, in a worse place.
So again. We don’t have to be this shitty to each other.
Okay? I never said “ALL HATE on the internet is bullshit”… I said “I wonder how much is just people constructing shit in their own head.”
This is exactly my point. You chose to interpret my words in a way that I clearly would have never intended if you actually spent time to read the words and understand them for what they were rather than some magical interpretation that clearly was never said.
Edit: Thanks for the downvote too! Proves the point further.
Edit2: And on your specific point I would argue otherwise. In the past, humans would just kill each other rather than yelling words through a machine. Literal murder -> Mean words is a de-escalation. We can do better for sure… do not misconstrue that, but to claim that we’re more hateful now, when history shows us murdering each other for less is a bit silly of a stance to take.
I think you’re actually doing here what you are accusing me of re: misinterpretting. My last comment was mild af.
The world has become more hateful. It’s not just online or in people’s heads. We have evidence that massive online warfare happens, literal psychological warfare and soldiers paid to post hate online all day every day. One independent journalist estimated at least a trillion dollars spent for various election/political meddling in 2024 and 2025, with protests in Romania, Georgia, Serbia, Slovakia, South Korea, Germany, Poland, etc etc etc.
So yeah, you got a downvote, grow up about it. You’re wrong and didn’t contribute anything meaningful to the conversation. This isn’t even “hate,” this is simple disagreement that you are too thin-skinned to handle.
Hate is stuff like: ableism, misogyny, racism, homophobia, transphobia. Eg a roomba yelling the N word at people. It is not disagreeing with you and downvoting you, lol. For fucks sake.
Edit for your E2: The massive online armies are using online hate to conduct genocides and kill people more efficiently. With massive networks of countries with camps and slavery including Assad’s knowledge of death camps.
You’re wrong and didn’t contribute anything meaningful to the conversation.
So you think that out of all the hate on the internet… NONE of it is constructed shit in people’s own head?(keep in the mind that the article itself talks about personality disorders and DSM-5, literally talking about things like schizophrenia and ADHD… mental disorders that affect how we think are in that book). That this number is so infallibly 0% that my thought doesn’t contribute ANY meaningful value to discuss at all? You sure that it contributed nothing to the conversation and that’s why you downvoted? Cause it would appear to me that you’ve just chosen to ignore the words, ascribe your own meaning to stuff that wasn’t there and then downvoted because you didn’t like it.
It’s clear that this is happening on the internet in many cases. In saner parts of the internet (sometimes even here on lemmy) you’ll see two people arguing, a misconception clear up, and magically all the “hate” dissolved away and both parties walk away amicably.
Hate is stuff like: ableism, misogyny, racism, homophobia, transphobia.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/hate
It only means that as an adjective, or under pretense where it’s clear that we’re talking about a class of people, if that’s the case it wasn’t clear to me and I just took it as a general overall “the world seems more hateful”. Which it wasn’t used any other way in the comments up to this point this way nor the article itself. So now you’ve constructed some other thing that nobody has referenced just so you can argue some other point that nobody else was apparently making. Keep in mind that the whole thread started with “Hostile” from the article, and not “hate”. The article doesn’t reference anything about any specific classes of people, and even talks about personality disorders (so medical perspective) rather than " ableism, misogyny, racism, homophobia, transphobia" and other… uh… character flaws(? might not be the correct phrase to use but maybe the point comes across) that shitty people have.
Edit: Oh and I don’t care about downvotes. But the fact that YOU downvoted the comment was part of the point. It literally is adding context to the actual discussion we’re actively having. It’s directly related behavioral response that’s worthy of discussing in this particular discussion. Trust me I get down-voted plenty on Lemmy and couldn’t care less otherwise. Usually for not immediately jumping on a bandwagon.
I feel like I’m fighting a one-person crusade every time I respond politely to some jerk online. Last night I couldn’t sleep because some rando on the internet said mean things. Why are humans like this? Why can’t we just be nice? Sometimes I feel like we deserve to go extinct.
Because everyone wants to be popular. Most people don’t have the tools to be popular through kindness so they simply act like the other orcs instead.
Yes, and it’s a good thing. The Paradox of Tolerance. If we want a world where people are free to choose and believe and live unique and different lives, we cannot stand by and do nothing while intolerant assholes live their lives.
I’ve always been a terse asshole.
Your mother is a hamster. >:(
At least my father doesn’t smell like elderberries
But will you join us on our quest for the Holy Grail?!
No you
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“Why are online discussions about politics more hostile than offline discussions?
A popular answer argues that human psychology is tailored for face-to-face interaction and people’s behavior therefore changes for the worse in impersonal online discussions…
Across eight studies, leveraging cross-national surveys and behavioral experiments (total N = 8,434), we test the mismatch hypothesis but only find evidence for limited selection effects.
Instead, hostile political discussions are the result of status-driven individuals who are drawn to politics and are equally hostile both online and offline.
Finally, we offer initial evidence that online discussions feel more hostile, in part, because the behavior of such individuals is more visible online than offline.”This fits with our understanding of personality disorders, which is that they are a small percentage of our society—around 10.5 percent, according to the recent DSM-5-TR.3
I try to avoid all politics online because it’s all raging and it’s honestly depressing that 10.5% can dominate a space like that.
Then you probably won’t like the thought that an even smaller percentage of people who think they need to get ever richer and control ever more aspects of ever more people’s lives are basically ruining our offline world.
I would prefer a star trek utopia, that’s for sure.
What a terrible headline. All of us? No. Next.
