Me, I’m old, so I just keep using
apt-get, because that’s all we had back in the day, and I never bothered to learn what’s the big deal aboutapt. It’s just a frontend, isn’t it?Apt looks a little prettier I think. But I may be wrong.
Wait until you learn of aptitude…
Pfff I know all about the aptitude, who do you think I am? Someone who doesn’t know the aptitude? I use it all the time for a lot of … stuff the aptitude does
@randamumaki@lemmy.blahaj.zone @cm0002 Oh, hey, I found myself on here.
aptitude has been my go-to since at least woody or potato.
One of the lines of all time.
Dpkg
apt-get has a fixed format machine parseable output
apts output tries to be more human readable and is subject to change
WARNING: Aptitude does not have a stable CLI interface.
aptitude is yet another dpkg wrapper
Me laughing in pacman
“Hello, I would like to -Syu a package.” “Can I -Rsc this?”
Statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged
Btw, never Syu a single package
Use apt in the shell and use apt-get in scripts, because apt has beautiful shell output but it isn’t script safe
Nala gang rise up!
I’ll just copy whatever is in the guide I’m following at the time.
Here lies dragons. Make sure you understand commands that you run on your computer. 👍
Cargo-culture is alive and well in the era of LLMs
People don’t change. Some people look at what they’re repeating and try to understand the why, others blindly do what they are told by whom they deem as authority. LLMs are the latest, earlier were various websites (which LLMs were trained on, uh oh), still before that were the computer magazines with things to type in and the later versions even maybe a free CD of stuff. The printed media was less likely to have malicious things in them, but lord did they have errors, and the right error in the wrong place could ruin someone’s day if they just ran it without understanding it.
Yes, I’m aware of that.
apt is for like when you want to, and apt get is the other way to get the apt. And then if it doesn’t, sudo apt will, or then sudo apt get. Like if you’re just doing an apt, and then you also need to apt get, you can.
- You can’t just be up there and just doin’ a apt like that.
1a. An apt-get is when you
1b. Okay well listen. An apt-get is when you get the
1c. Let me start over
1c-a. The user is not allowed to do a motion to the, uh, kernel, that prohibits the kernel from doing, you know, just trying to get the apt. You can’t do that.
1c-b. Once the user is in the terminal, he can’t be over here and say to the packag, like, “I’m gonna get ya! I’m gonna apt you out! You better watch your butt!” and then just be like he didn’t even do that.
1c-b(1). Like, if you’re about to apt and then don’t get, you have to still apt. You cannot not apt. Does that make any sense?
1c-b(2). You gotta be, typing motion of the command, and then, until you just apt-get it.
Apt: get whatever is in the cached package list
Apt-get: lookup the package to see the latest version and get that one
Unless you always
apt update,apt-getis the go to choice for modern day LinuxThere’s also the
apt-aptcommand, who triggers any audiophile to start complaining about mainstream music quality these daysAlias is your friend.
alias install=“sudo apt update && sudo apt install -y”
install git
I’d recommend avoiding aliases that conflict with regular commands, and there’s a standard Linux command called
install. https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/install.1.htmlIf you’re going to always pass the -y flag then I’d add --no-install-recommends too.
Oh sorry.
install is already a part of make/cmake as well, so it’d break any of those workflows also.
The joke I thought I was making was “I’m too lazy to type out what I want, let’s just break the system instead.”
I disagree. According to Debian’s own documentation, apt is a newer front-end for your daily CLI updating and installing needs.
It has simplified syntax, and combines the most-used functions and options.
It is not meant for use in scripts, cause the syntax may change between versions.The dependency-solver in the back-end is identical.
tl/dr:
apt is shorter to type and will have prettier output, starting with Debian 13.
Use apt-get inside scripts.Uh!? I’ve been lied to! Editing comment for clarity
I can concur, thats what my research also indicates. Plus I am too lazy to type apt-get
My personal experience is that apt-get will absolutely miss packages that apt will capture.
I was actually surprised by that about six months ago and finally switched over to apt after years of apt-get.
That’s actually one of the reasons I switched from Debian to Arch.
Dependency resolution shouldn’t differ based on which front-end you use.
Debian has dpkg, aptitude, apt-get, apt, synaptic, the Software Center…
Fedora has rpm, dnf, yum. SUSE adds a couple more. I don’t get it.
A linux distro should have one package manager, doing different stuff with it should be done via different commands/options inside it.As a (still) Linux novice, this is something that I noticed with later distributions but never thought about your valid point. I did always wonder why there should be different places to install things in the same OS. It would probably be fine if they handled things the same, but then all you’re doing is changing the UI. It never “felt” like they did things the same.
Out of curiosity, can pacman update flatpaks? Or do you still have to update those independent of your package manager?
It can’t. I use a very simple script to combine updates and the basics of system maintenance.
#!/usr/bin/env bash systemctl --failed -q yay -Pw sudo pacman -Syu flatpak update flatpak uninstall --unused pacman -Qqnte > ~/.local/share/applications/pkglist.txt pacman -Qqdtt > ~/.local/share/applications/optdeplist.txt pacman -Qqem > ~/.local/share/applications/foreignpkglist.txt pacman -Qtd pacman -Qm | grep -v yay-bin sudo find /etc -name *.pac* yay -Ps | grep Cache
When working with RHEL I always flip a coin to see if I’m gonna use yum or dnf this time
Wasn’t yum just mapped to dnf a while back?
What is dnf anyway? I see that used on later RH-based distros instead of yum.
dnf is the replacement to yum. It is apparently short for “Dandified Yum”.
Console chiding me every time I use apt-get out of habit because it’s deprecated now…
aptis newer and mostly supersedes apt-get/apt-cache/etc tools, tries to be a more-approachable frontend.They interoperate though, so if you’re happy with using a mix of them, go for it. I generally just use
apt.EDIT: There were also some older attempts to produce a unified frontend, like
aptitude.They interoperate though, so if you’re happy with using a mix of them, go for it.
Same goes for
nala, BTW.mostly supersedes apt-get/apt-cache/etc tools,
Except for in scripts. Debian guarantee that the output format of
apt-getwill never change and thus it’s safe to use in scripts that parse the output, whereas they don’t have the same guarantee forapt.Aptitude is great (my favorite way of managing packages), but it’s a TUI program. You can use it as CLI, at which point it mimics apt-get.
So I would say it never attempted to unify apt commands, by rather it successfully provided a user friendly way to do most (all?) of what you could do with apt CLI tools.
I know about these and git and flatpaks and snaps and can definitely explain them all to you! But unfortunately, I just remembered I left my oven on…
Me use apt. Why use many letter when few letter do trick?
Pretty sure it’s basicaly
alias apt='apt-get'There is the subtle difference that the output if apt-get is optimized for automations
Apt has pretty outputs with colors etc
Can
apt-getrefresh package list?Yes,
apt-get updateis, to the best of my knowledge, functionally identical toapt update.D’oh, I’m a doofus — it’s
searchthat I was thinking of (apt-cache search, notapt-get search).
