• sfu@lemm.ee
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    We need to all vote libertarian, just to see what its like. As it is, we keep going back and forth with half the country hating the gov and each other. I think I speak for many on both sides when I say, we are tired of the red and blue.

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    So… I should just lay down and take it? I’m not sure what point is being made.

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    Finally someone who speaks the truth, however humans are a lost case, you can’t un-slave mentality without changing the people.

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    The funniest thing about non Americans is that they think most of us don’t fucking know this. It’s so annoying

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    here’s an example for you to drive home why sentiment like this is dumb and creates false equivalencies. when I was 14, I worked at a grocery store. there were two managers that I would get scheduled with. they both sucked and were awful human beings. however, one was a known child predator. which one do you think I’d rather get scheduled with?

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    4 days ago

    Yes, but Americans hating their government is exactly what got us here.

    Doubling down on that sentiment is only going to make things worse.

    You understand that, right?

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      Lack of criticism of the US government in the first place is what got us here. You can say the GOP is worse all you want but you must admit that the Democrats are massive fuck ups too if you want things to ever get better.

      You can’t keep falling for this notion of “every criticism of the democrats is supporting the GOP”. Its not even an election year for Christ’s sake.

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      Hating the government is right and good. The problem is the crushing of the left, the popular front, and the Democrats taking up all space for opposition to the Republicans, while wanting to be “polite Republicans” and maintaining the status quo above all else is what gave opening for hating the government to take this reactionary form.

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    Roses are red

    Violets are blue

    Oversimplified political apathy

    Is what gave you Trump 2

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      No, Democrats and Liberals using Trump 2 as an excuse to be vocally pro-genocide and forcing people to accept pro-fascism is what caused Trump 2, since the party cannot fail only be failed by voters willing to accept fascism but not turned off by crude, ham-fisted forms of fascism. The problem, supposedly, is people that oppose Trump’s policies, rather than just needing the Trump policies being polite. It is the Democrat’s need to always adopt all of the previous Republican policies, and their only goal is being the Republicans, but polite. If Genocide and fascism is not a red line, but completely acceptable to support, as long as you can imagine another regime doing the genocide slightly worse, there is no evil you will not work for and support.

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        Voting is not a sign of support for everything the candidate does. It’s a choice for who you want to be in the position, and none of the above is not a possible outcome.

        Choosing to not vote means you’re choosing whoever the majority of voters pick

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      Or maybe, we can use this to protest and vote for political change. We cannot allow lobbies to buy politicians anymore, and campaign spending must be capped.

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        There was no recent genocide that had any US involvement. How about minding your own business. Like preventing weighing in at about 800 pounds and not being able to count up to 3 in the voting booth?

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        It was oversimplified though. The discussion of genocide often took the form of thought terminating cliches.

        That’s how you get things like people refusing to vote for either candidate, leading to a sharp increase in genocide.

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        Democrats better not put forward candidates people are apathetic about then.

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          Responsibility lies with “The Democrats” (some sort of far away secret group that I can’t influence) and not with any American. If those Democrats can’t give me my perfect candidate, then I’ll just give up and let the fascists win. Also, I can’t figure out why they won’t do this–my ideal liberal candidate would appeal to the majority of Americans!

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            It is never the party’s job to appeal to voters. There is one designated party that is just owed support and should never have to craft another appeal besides “The Republicans can’t fill out the paperwork properly, that is why we will build the wall faster, put people in concentration camps at greater numbers, and do fascism better and more politely than the dumb, knuckle-dragging fascists”

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            “The Democrats” (some sort of far away secret group that I can’t influence)

            The existence of the Democratic Party is not a secret you dumb shitlib.

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    Haha, I still not sure what to call them.

    1. USAns?
    2. USArians?
    3. USians?

    I think Usans would be the most correct, but they are a people with no name.

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        No content correct the record bots are downvoting you and a lot of other ppl in this thread, who say anything even slightly negative about them. I’m having to ban a lot of them rn.

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      Further evidence that “tankie” just means “anyone to the left of the Democratic party”

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      Acknowledging that the majority of politicians in the US is “bothsideism” is so fucking stupid. Don’t get it fucked up, it’s the poor vs the rich. And if it isn’t obvious, they want more money. More power.

      If you actively stand there and say “yea shut up, bothsideist” (whatever the fuck that means) then you are contributing exactly nothing to the conversation.

      This system is supposed to be for the people, right? For all the people? Not for the select few that gamed the system? So if it’s between a totalitarian state that silences dissent in order to keep workers rights or one that lets our politicians be corrupted and look the other way when rich people test the waters and try and take more and more with time, I’d prefer the first option.