President-elect Donald Trump stunned the Pentagon and the broader defense world by nominating Fox News host Pete Hegseth to serve as his defense secretary, tapping someone largely inexperienced and untested on the global stage to take over the world’s largest and most powerful military.

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  • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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    1 month ago

    I have a different hope, that Trump will ruin their actual offensive capacity and save the world from the Pentagon. The US can not be trusted with its own military.

    • ryepunk [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      I can’t wait until his son’s begin an arms manufacturing company and get hundreds of billions in defense contracts and then entire companies of troops get owned in war when their guns spontaneously explode in their face and the tanks rounds detonates prior to firing. Capitalist efficiency!

    • Hemingways_Shotgun@lemmy.ca
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      1 month ago

      The US can not be trusted with its own military.

      I’m not a fan of U.S. foreign policy. But as far as the military chain of command, it’s specifically designed to have it’s own checks and balances against abuse of power. Precisely what Trump is wanting to topple. So if the choice is an orange toddler or a robust and effective circle of generals, I’ll go with the generals thanks.

      • ayyy@sh.itjust.works
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        The same US military that promises to bomb The Hague if it is ever held accountable for crimes against humanity?

        • Hemingways_Shotgun@lemmy.ca
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          I don’t disagree, but that’s not really my point.

          What you’re arguing is basically akin to people who sat out the vote because “Genocide Joe”. Which is what gave America Trump 2.0 in the first place. Yes, the established Military Complex is flawed and in some cases downright evil. But the response to that isn’t “fuck it, let’s burn it down and give a fucking toddler direct control of it.”

          You don’t fix things by picking the worse option on purpose. That’s utter lunacy.

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            You don’t fix things by picking the worse option on purpose.

            That’s exactly what the electorate just did.

            That’s utter lunacy.

            I fully agree

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            It’s not flawed, it’s been working exactly as it was intended our entire lives. Unless you were alive for WW2, the purpose of the military has been to spread misery and death. I’d call it one of the most evil institutions in the face of the Earth.

            I’m not optimistic. Trump won’t be allowed to destroy the military. He will weaken it, though, and that can only be a good thing.

            Hence, saving the world from the Pentagon.

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              Trump won’t be allowed to destroy the military. He will weaken it, though, and that can only be a good thing.

              Real 1930s Germany vibes coming out today

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                I’ve read a lot of stuff on the development of the military industrial complex in Germany and fascism’s relationship to it both while it was gaining power and had power and I’m not seeing any parallels, could you explain?

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                  Fascism taking hold depends on a significant portion of people ignoring the threat it poses in its infancy. Saying Trump won’t do what he’s clearly trying to do, and even going so far as to say it might turn out to be a good thing, are both extremely bad ideas. Many Germans did not believe Hitler was the threat he turned out to be and as a consequence they did not react to his early actions as they would have had they known what was to come. Trump attempting to purge military leadership and install loyalists is an obvious example of an event that will come to be seen as a pivotal moment in history if we continue down this path we’re on.

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                    Youre correct that there was a purge of military in Nazi Era Germany, but beyond that you kind of misunderstand the very collaborationist relationship that the nazis and the existing military industrial apparatus. I would really suggest reading The Economy and Class Structure of German Fascism by Alfred Sohn-Rethel for a little bit of a contextualization of why what you’re saying is kinda surface level analysis. Separately I’d recommend Fascism and Social Revolution by R. Palme Dutt.

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      But they protected me from all those menacing children in Laos that didn’t even know the USA existed!

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      I don’t fail to appreciate your viewpoint, but while such a military exists, I’d like stopping 21st century Hitler before he can get started to be a service they provide.

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        Oh, so the US military should intervene in the Palestinian genocide on the side of Palestine, right? And then pay reparations to Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, and all the other places the US has slaughtered in the past 20 years alone.

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        The military is already struggling to recruit and moves like this will only delegitimize our military even more. I’m sure they’ll always be able to find goons to wield guns, but it will cease to be a respectable career path for all but the most right-wing citizenry.

        It’s not all bad.