Banning Israeli contributers too?
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Unironically I would support it
I would never. The idea that any person should be disbarred from contributing to FOSS due to the actions of their government, is incredibly exclusionary. Linus is acting as much like a toddler as daddy USA is.
The funny thing is the Baltoids actually believe this will be good for Linux. They genuinely have no idea what they have done.
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It’s not about punishing Russia, is admit preventing vulnerability to a country that has an ongoing effort to compromise infosec.
Not at all saying Israel doesn’t suck balls right now.
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ALL of them? Not at once. Usually.
They would never!
Huh. Lot of people Russian’ to conclusions in this thread.
Sorry.
Shhh. Let Linus Finnish.
Sorry for liking it.
Ok, dad.
Based Linus as always
“Have we become so fearful? Have we become so cowardly That we must extinguish a man because he carries the blood of a current enemy?”
- Picard, Star Trek TNG
Quote taken completely out of context.
The context is that a partial descendant of an enemy species (Romulans) was the victim of a witch hunt. He was half human and a starfleet officer. He had lived in the federation his whole life.
A real world equivalent example to that would be banning Americans with Russian ancestry that were born in America and lived in America their whole lives from contributing.
That is not what’s happening here. You are arguing in bad faith. Picard would be perfectly fine with preventing Romulans in the Romulan Empire from accessing/modifying sensitive technology.
How does this prevent the Russians from accessing sensitive technology? Oh it doesn’t! It just excludes them from contributing to Linux, not from using it.
Accusing others from “arguing in bad faith” are we?
I don’t give a shit about that. OP misused a Picard quote. Completely unacceptable.
I understand where this comes from, he is finnish but this is pretty unprofessional.
Linus unprofessional?! Surely you jest!!
Free as in… obeys US foreign policy
In the article, Linus explicitly said that it’s not just a US thing:
And FYI for the actual innocent bystanders who aren’t troll farm accounts - the “various compliance requirements” are not just a US thing.
That’s more like his opinion or a post facto justification. Turns out it is a US thing.
If your company is on the U.S. OFAC SDN lists, subject to an OFAC sanctions program, or owned/controlled by a company on the list, our ability to collaborate with you will be subject to restrictions, and you cannot be in the MAINTAINERS file.
So to get back, you have to basically prove that you have no relations with OFAC SDN companies.
This update is from https://lwn.net/Articles/995186/
I’m pretty sure not just the US wants Russia sanctioned to the oblivion. All of the Europe that borders Russia wants that. Now why would it be like that?
It makes no sense to discuss here.They probably follow Russia’s narrative of Europe being a puppet of the US.
Lol, ml. users getting wild in the comments
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I’d really like to see the criteria for delisting people, though. As Russia is not the only one waging wars, there are worse countries out there. I guess it all boils down to Linus being from Finland.
Yeah the kernel might end up being forked if this shit keeps going. Sanctions affecting open source software like this was not something I expected…
There may be worse countries, but rest of the word is not in a proxy war with them.
An update:
If your company is on the U.S. OFAC SDN lists, subject to an OFAC sanctions program, or owned/controlled by a company on the list, our ability to collaborate with you will be subject to restrictions, and you cannot be in the MAINTAINERS file.
That sounds like an advice, not something official? Also why is an open source project affected by US sanctions? It’s not an US open source project, or is it?
Linux Foundation (of which Linus is an employee) is an US entity. RISC-V International foresaw this and chose to incorporate in Switzerland.
But does it mean they own Linux? They list (support I guess) a lot of projects, including RISC-V. BTW smart move from RISC-V
The US and EU governments have the criteria for sanctions available.
- https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/sanctions-against-russia/sanctions-against-russia-explained/
- https://ofac.treasury.gov/sanctions-programs-and-country-information/sanctions-related-to-significant-malicious-cyber-enabled-activities
- https://ofac.treasury.gov/sanctions-programs-and-country-information/russian-harmful-foreign-activities-sanctions
- https://www.bmwk.de/Redaktion/EN/FAQ/sanctions-against-russia/faq-russland-sanktionen.html
- https://www.trade.gov/russia-sanctions-and-export-controls
The comments under the article are a special kind of braindead.
Yeah. Why is everyone saying this is removing their contribution credits? It’s just a list of active maintainers…
This is not an unusual comment section on Phoronix, to put it mildly.
That’s a fair point. I rarely read comments on news articles, but morbid curiosity overpowered my self-preservation instinct.
Always is with Phoronix comments.
You find everything there from “Gnome is satanist” all the way up to pro-genocide crap.
I really don’t know what it is about the site that brings out the craziest souch.
“Bcachefs sucks because I use ext4”
The absolute disregard of having any moderation is what does that. If there was any, there wouldn’t be the cases like having someone be there by their third account, after the first two got banned.
Not to mention that controversy = angry people and trolls = more clicks = more ad revenue. I don’t think Michael wants to miss out on it.
For half a second there, I was like “yeah, so glad Lemmy is more rational than that site”.
Few comments later, folks be talking about “Ukranian Nazis”…
Wholesome banderite chungus
I would wager that every country has far-right elements, including Russia.
What Russia claims though is that the Ukrainian government is full of Nazis, which I don’t think is true.
The wager isn’t whether countries have “far-right elements”. The wager is which country has a government that openly venerates a man who slaughtered Jews and Poles for sport. Maybe someday you will understand what happened here.
How does Zelenskyy’s government venerate Bandera? Zelenskyy apparently dismissed his ambassador to Germany after the ambassador defended Bandera.
The Kremlin pushes the idea that the government of Zelenskyy (a Jewish man) is full of Nazis, because they think this justifies their invasion of Ukraine.
In reality it seems to me that Russia is behaving like Nazis, not Ukraine. Russia is the one that has launched an invasion of conquest, just like the Nazis did.
Hoo boy, you weren’t kidding. I find it amazing how quickly this went from “the kernel team is enforcing sanctions” to an an unfriendly abstract debate about the definition of liberalism. I shouldn’t, really, but I still am.
Hahaha I saw the parent commentor of that chain notorious for getting into back and forth arguments, sometimes reasonable sometimes not, and I thought to myself, this is going to be fun. Then I recognized the username of that other .ml user as a known troll and I was like, yep now this is going to go way off the rails.
One of the worst news I’ve read lately.
Why aren’t Israeli maintainers removed? Oh because linux is basically owned by IBM now.
The linux kernel isn’t free anymore. It’s open source, but not free.
Wow, some real clown behavior from Linus.
the comments on the article started off pretty good but pretty quickly devolved into a cancerous combination of NAFO and Hasbara.
so are we okay with banning development time donated to foss because of nationality?
are these people found to support heinous shit or is this just wartime shenanigans?
Dude is Finnish, from his own mouth, it’s just normal racism against an aggressive imperial, like how people hate the us
Edit: like how people from lemmy.ml hate Americans, if that wasn’t clear
finland has pretty bad climate-change-exploitation-fucking-over-the-third-world dealings in my country, despite enforcing seemingly very good stuff inside their own borders so meh, id argue they aint close to the victims they make out to be. some would argue that as a consequence for having a strong socialist influence.
i have mixed feelings about them as a country, but i recognize there are plenty of good (and even well known good) people on there because of the aforementioned good stuff, linus included. for different but not that dissimilar reasons i think contemporary russian citizens should not be blanket banned from helping everyone out.
finland has pretty bad, climate-change-exploitation-fucking-over-the-third-world dealings in my country
Which country is that, and what dealings?
brazil, and they do some shady stuff in the amazon. mainly fuck you extrativism.
Can you find any links where one can read about this?
If Finland is wasting tax payer money to something shady, it should be brought to the local media.
heres one i found with a quick google.
this one is about southeast/northeast brazil, but the finnish are involved in aggressive extractivism in northwest brazil (amazon rainforest) too, and i think its even worse over there. you will dig up pretty horrible things if you do some research on it. about most of the western 1st world countries tbh.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Karelian_concentration_camps
As if Finish people had any moral ground here
yeah i aint putting my ass on the line for that country, thats for sure.
It’s “for any county” to me. Nationalism is a cancer
Sure nice of Russia to look after only the breeding stock. Seems some things never change.
Maybe they can contribute to RedStar instead. Is best os for great compute.
Wutlol
Linux is the kernel, not the OS. RedStar uses Linux as the kernel.
I understand, thank you. My statement kind of assumes north korea is maintaining a fork of the kernel they patch and customize. It also implies NK is one of the few organizations that would accept russian contributions into their fork, given the somewhat limited number of linux projects operating outside of the sanctions.
