To be clear, Colombia already backed down and accepted all the demands. Which is unfortunate but not surprising. Starting to get “Just give Hitler what he wants and he’ll stop” vibes. Surprised folks didn’t learn their lesson…
Even after all these years, I physically cringe every time I read “ReTruths”
Ho ho ho. Trump does not hold the cards here. Colombia DNGAF. But Trump does, and he’s digging that hole as fast as he can.
Sanctions not going through Congress, it’s insane that’s considered constitutional
He governs by decrees basically, and so did biden. Its mental gymnastics at olympic level to call the US a democratic country.
Then Columbia put 50% tariffs on the US.
Love it.
Lol. They caved.
The US caved actually, Petro point was that the deportees werent treated like garbage.
I like how his statement paints not accepting refugees as a negative action
What refugees?
What would you call forcibly expatriated people
How or by what were they forced to leave their country?
By whoever put them on the plane they were on on Trump’s order that is mentioned in the post we’re talking about.
He is deporting Americans? That’s your argument? What does it take to become American?
I dunno, you tell me. I wasn’t making an argument just answering your dumb ass question.
Lol you answered nothing at all. Did you even read my original question?
Trump wouldn’t recognize hypocrisy if it walked up and kicked him in the balls.
Norman Finkelstein said something the other day, quoting someone else…it was…“hypocrisy is the homage that vice pays to virtue”. Meaning, evil people understand what they’re doing is wrong, that’s why they pretend to be good. Hypocrisy is beyond the point to them. They’ve sacrificed morality. Although I think Finkelstein was saying it in the context of talking about how Republican pols do so much less of even pretending to be good (though certainly not zero).
I don’t think Finkelstein’s quote takes into account a severe narcissist.
In the narcissistic mind, the only right is something that benefits them, and the only wrong is something that harms them.
Ironically, so does your comment. You mean actively and forcibly ejecting refugees.
The economic vs. refugee character of the people he ejected is unclear AFIAK, though.
My comment alludes to Trump’s negative opinion of refugees
Oh, negative morally.
How does it do that? These were Colombian citizens being moved unwillingly, not refugees.
Saying the president is already unpopular and now he won’t take these people makes it sound like taking refugees would boost his popularity
Trump however by doing this shows he thinks taking refugees is a bad thing
Forcibly relocating refugees doesn’t make them no longer refugees, it just makes you (the one relocating them) a bad person/in violation of international law
Ah. Then I’ll go back to my first comment.
Getting married to a Colombian woman as an America. Is this going to hinder her from getting a marriage visa and coming to America with me?
You both are getting rounded up for the next flight lmao
I was born and raised in the deep south brother. Hate to be rude but fuck off.
It certainty make it easier.
With all the executive orders he’s spewing forth, I wouldn’t be surprised if you run into some roadblocks, if only out of confusion on the part of immigration officials. For both your sakes, I hope it isn’t too disruptive. Mazel tov!
When did you submit the marriage visa? Also congrats! My wife is also Colombian and these last few days have been a fun time
We are getting married at the notary today so she hasn’t applied for it yet! I am here I Colombia with her so sorry for the late reply. Internet is spotty I will look better when I arrive at her house. Thank you!
Yay! Wishing you both the best. I feel weird promoting a YouTube stream but it’s helping me learn a lot by just listening and hearing people’s stories. I believe the Zoom number and Whatsapp numbers are posted on his page. Looks like today’s is scheduled for 3:30PM COT/UTC -5 and tomorrow’s is 6:30PM COT/UTC -5.
It’s anyone’s guess, but Trump’s an idiot.
Congratulations and commiserations!
It would be a good idea that Mexico, Columbia and other latin countries promote the Trump Wall, but expelling all US residents in their countries. A wall always works in both directions.
Seems like Trump’s strategy is to now bully countries into getting what they want. "I want them out!!! I want Canada!!! I want Greenland!!!
He’s basically the equivalent of the kid that flips over the monopoly table when someone bought a property before him.
New speedrun just dropped:
Any% screwing up the inland economy
He literally is a petulant spoilt brat nappy wearing trust fund kid with unresolved daddy issues.
I feel like all economies will soon be just trading with eachother, except with the US.
A growing number of Canadians are already calling for exactly that
INB4 EU joins BRICS
Won’t happen. EU is designed to serve the US, but we’ll see countries breaking off and (re)uniting with Russia.
The problem with that is that anti-Russian sentiment is highest in the East, so there’s no way they will break off.
Also Russia is not China, they barely have anything to give in a trade relationship. Also, the Ukraine invasion is scrounging up bad memories in most of the member states, so there’s that.
In Hungary, arguably the country closest ideologically to Russia, EU membership has had a consistent 70-80% approval. They won’t break off.
Also, the EU is designed to protect EU business interests against international ones, so they will go where the money is, and under Trump, that may cease to be the US.
It’s highest in the North-East, lowest in the South East.
There’s currently no direct land connection between Russia and Moldava/Slovakia/Romania/Hungary,
and without it, there’s no potential protection.
Georgia is already slowly turning around.Russia is an ally of China. What they have to give is the same as the EU (Germany) has to give with the US as their ally.
So far the EU has done everything in power to not protect EU business interests and favor US business interests over anything else.
They should start now. Countries should cut off trading with the US once Trump starts making threats in their direction, instead of waiting for him to make up his mind and do something. He’s too used to there not being any consequences.
Countries started that with Russia and it’s still continuing. USA would just follow that model
What do they care about the exchange value if they’re not exchanging anything with the US?
Adjusted for PPP, the Russian economy is the 4th biggest in the world, experiencing a boom after the start of the war. Largest than any in Europe.
Everyone knows the USD is artificially inflated and has been for decades, propped up by oil and the threat of violence. Y’all gonna learn when this mother of all bubbles pops.
Do to the US what the US did to cuba? That would be so cruel.
Cuba threatened nobody. Self defense isn’t the same as aggression.
what the US
didis doing to cuba…To be fair, they are doing it to themselves.
That is the only logical step. You can’t make deals with someone who throws you under the bus at the next opportunity 🤷🏻
You missed the point where the people were cuffed the whole flight, were dehydrated and transported in military planes like cattle. That’s why those planes were rejected.
The president send his own jet to get these people back because they are people not cattle.
So he saw these people were transported like cattle, dehydrated and mistreated, and instead of letting them get off the planes, he’s sent them back in those same planes so he can retrieve them with normal planes?
Unless I am missing something, I feel like you’d want those people to not fly in a plane like that again.
Either the plane didn’t take off in the first place, case in which rejecting it would make sense.
Or those planes landed in Colombia, then sent back so they can be brought in proper planes, extending the suffering for no reason.
The planes (there were two) landed in Brasil. I don’t know if that’s where they came from in the first place.
A note: Usually these people are brought back using normal commercial flights. Only this time they used military planes.
I see. I thought they landed in Colombia but were sent back to the U.S.
Thank you for the clarification
Look, I know that immigration is a contentious issue, but sanctioning a country for not repatriating its citizens is a disproportionate response. Trump and Co. are really obsessed with immigration to even do this. It says a lot what values they have.
Are those people really Columbian citizens? I would not put it past Trump to just command ICE to land the next plane full of “somehow latin looking people” somewhere south of the border.
He does that to strongarm companies into complying, because it works. It’s also setting an example for other countries to cooperate.
I suppose, but we’re talking about international diplomacy. And a modern one at that.
Trump’s strong arming sounds so 19th century though. His open threat of taking Panama canal, Canada, Greenland, and renaming the Gulf of Mexico is so manifest destiny.
Trump’s strong arming sounds so 19th century though
20th century too! If a government didn’t do what we wanted them to do, we just couped their government, and installed a dictator.
I mean, how do you think Sadaam Hussein got into power?
Yes, it does have a lot of similarities.
You expect “reasonable” from the orange idiot?
It’s a response to make them do it. And it worked. They caved.
Yeah, I just saw the news that Colombia gave in.
Trump is going all in. He’s reverting to the 19th century way of strong arming other countries over petty things. He’s reviving the old-school capitalist imperialism.
He’s reviving the old-school capitalist imperialism.
It never went away…
Nothing wrong with throwing your weight around in this situation.
If they won’t take them, maybe we could put all these Columbians in some sort of District. A District of Columbia filled with criminals. Wait, we already have that.
Columbia != Colombia. The real joke though is for those who don’t know the difference.
Had me in the first half not gonna lie
Maybe the US should take back the US members of ISIS that have been left (along with the people from the other nations that joined ISIS) for the Kurds to keep.
Well you see, we have long and storied history of fucking over the Kurds. You wouldn’t want to tarnish that record would you?
He didn’t quite stick the landing on his “destroy the US empire” speedrun last term, but he wasn’t idle over the last 4 years and has come out the gate with a strong strategy this time around!
How does this destroy the US empire? It worked, Colombia caved within minutes.
Not by itself, but it’s representative of his overreaction to every little perceived slight against him. Correct me if I’m wrong; it’s standard to send and receive civilian planes for returning migrants. Colombia does not want its citizens being treated like criminals, detained aboard military aircraft. US media is declaring victory for Trump on a technicality. If this is all it takes for him to completely fill his diaper, he’s going to drone strike the first country to follow through with retaliatory tariffs.
They are criminals, because they were here illegally. It would be different if they were legal migrants, but they’re not.
And it wasn’t an overreaction, it was a warning, meant to bend Colombia’s will. And it worked, immediately.
hopefully we can convince him to send you to the bottom of the ocean or something
“Criminals they forced into the United States” = “Invasion”
“Repatriation” != “Deportation”
Repatriation is what happens when you return a POW to their country of origin.
POWs are not entitled to access to the criminal justice system.
That’s… Not true.
POWs do not need to be charged with a crime. Indeed, under international treaties and laws governing armed conflict, POWs generally can’t be criminally charged for simply participating in hostilities.
They can be held without charge until the conclusion of hostilities. They are not entitled to the protections afforded to the accused, because they are not accused. They are not entitled to access to the criminal justice system.
The term repatriation is not in any way exclusive to POWs. It was, for example, used extensively during COVID when talking about voluntary repatriation of expats to their home countries.
True. I should have been more clear: Deportation requires the involvement of the judicial branch. Repatriation has no such requirement. “Repatriation” is a more generic term for returning to one’s country of origin.
I did not mean to suggest that “repatriation” was exclusive to POWs, and I apologize if I gave that impression. I meant to distinguish between judicial and non-judicial.
