Hi! In thinking about how to help the fediverse grow, I wonder if there are more mainstream Lemmy instances?
I’ve pointed a couple folks to Lemmy.world and it’s uhhh, pretty hard Left for them (as one girl, who volunteered for the Democrats said “I just got yelled at because I can’t be Left wing unless I want to destroy capitalism? Which feels weird.”) We’re much farther Left than reddit which itself was definitely Left of centre…
I don’t know if decentralized open source social media actually attracts many mainstreamers but assuming we want to grow the fediverse, I’d like to have somewhere I can point people to without feeling very nervous for them.
Thanks!
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I mean, it’s probably best to stay out of political subs at that point. Reddit’s pretty far left of… mainstream US media, and yeah lemmy is fairly left of reddit.
But to be honest, just politics in social media will always be arguing. You aren’t likely to find a political group that perfectly lines up with exactly where you are.
Good points!
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You’d have to show who specifically was yelling. You see everyone from all instances they’re federated with. They might not have even been from Lemmy.world.
It’s on your hands to help make this place mor normal. We need an influx of regular people who don’t care about government garbage to create normal posts. At some point, their comments and posts will drown the left wingers and turn this place into a cat meme filled place that will be more enjoyable to participate in
At a minimum, you’d want to find an instance that blocks lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net. lemmy.world already blocks both of those though. The next instance you’d probably want to block is lemmy.ml, which not many other instances do. beehaw.org does, but also blocks lemmy.world, which cuts out a lot of the threadiverse.
If you felt like it, you could explain how to do instance blocking on your user profile. That might be too much for people that don’t really care either way and just want stuff to work, though.
@Blaze@feddit.org might also have opinions on this, having spent a lot of time over on Reddit convincing people to try out Lemmy
I really don’t get this “if you don’t block XYZ, it means you are in favor of them”.
My instance does not block any of the big tankies, and yet it has not been a problem.
I’m not saying that leaving an instance unblocked means you’re in favor of them, to be clear. My response was only addressing the issue of achieving a “normie” experience.
Much appreciated!
Yeah, I think .world is the biggest and so I’d love that to be the “base” but even responses here go to “if you ain’t against capitalism, I don’t want you here.”
I don’t know if its what you are looking for but futurology.today is the fediverse sibling (same Mods) as r/futurology on Reddit.
(Disclaimer I’m a Mod on it & the subreddit)
Lol @ “who volunteered for the Democrats”. Ain’t that a microcosm of every American politico (especially Democrats) ignorant of actual political theory.
Imagine getting upset that someone accurately described “leftism” to you. I can only imagine it’s major cognitive dissonance after a lifetime of consuming mainstream political media calling liberalism “leftist” and pushing the overton window right.
Lemmy.world already is the “normie” instance catering to liberalism. Your friend either ran into the more progressive parts of that instance or an actual leftist from a federated one. Either way, they got told an accurate take.
Anyway, can we please stop all the attempts to make this place comfortable for conservative and right wing views in the name of “growth”? Have y’all actually been on a default subreddit in the last 15 years? Would that be worth it here?
Hey you’re doing the thing
what thing?
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Your last point is what really resonates with me. I’ll take Marxist-Lenninists all day over stupid right wingers who created this whole fucking mess. At the very least, the former read books. The latter only know how to kiss ass.
Im not sure all the Marxist read books but theor heart tends to be in a better place
Imagine that, someone using words as most people use them! Wild!
Like, do you write to all newspapers when they talk about the Left Right divide and complain that the Dems aren’t Left because they don’t want to destroy capitalism?
What a weird existence you must have, almost all popular discourse just goes right over your head or what?
Nah, I just find amusement in someone who ostensibly considers themselves political (volunteers for the Dems!) being affronted when accurately told that being leftist entails more than what talk about on NPR and NYT. Even the Wikipedia summary of leftism states the modern left is anti-capitalist and liberalism is “center-left” at best. It’s just an example of the allowed spectrum of opinion and an example of how much the politico class ignores political theory outside that spectrum.
And we push back on it because allowing the right wing, mainstream media, and liberal parties to define liberalism as the left is exactly what helps push the Overton window to the right.
Instead of running away when confronted with that fact and creating a space for centrists to feel more comfortable, maybe y’all could listen instead.
All I will point out is that the overton window in the US has shifted to the point where a double Sieg Heil at your president’s inauguration is within normal discourse .
Anyway, lemmy can be pretty “normie” for you so long as you stay out of political discussions. But if you want to actually discuss politics within the US overton window, lemmy is going to be very hostile. However if you come with an attitude to learn instead of debating/arguing, then I suspect most people wouldn’t flame you. But if one starts doing genocide denial for Israel etc, then they’re going to have a bad time.
shifted to the point where a double Sieg Heil at your president’s inauguration is within normal discourse
Haha thank you. I’m not even American but to me it’s pretty shocking to find out that this place, world of all instances, is too ‘extreme’ for people. Maybe I really am a dirty radical but I think that if people who consider themselves democrats are still fucking clutching their pearls about the left wing being too left wing while Elon Musk does open nazi salutes and trans people get their rights and dignity stripped away, then it’s no wonder the USA is so fucked.
You guys clearly need a new political party because your choices are overt right wingers, or spineless right wingers that like to pretend they represent the left.
Edit: maybe the bad men will see the light if we all hold hands and sing kumbaya. I’m sure that all of the people who are already finding themselves victims will thank you for taking the high road and not scaring too many centrists.
However if you come with an attitude to learn
Translation: if you are willing to swallow the opinion most people have here …
Lemmy is notorious for asking and including sources. It’s part of the culture. I wouldn’t say you’re supposed to swallow anything, but quite the contrary–make your stance.
Db0 is the best instance with the least friction from mods and admins.
In other words you’re looking for a conservative instance? Fuck off, we ban them.
What a sad and narrow worldview.
You think I should be open to fascism? Fuck off buddy
You take the notion of asking for a mainstream instance to mean that people are asking you to be open to fascism…
That’s impressively silly kid.
Roughly speaking, Lemm.ee is more libertarian some libright. Slrpnk is libleft but is home to pleasant politics community. Dbzer0 is anarchy leftist. World is closest to US centrist. Lemmy.ca is kind of Reddit’s onguardforthee vibe, Left/NDP wing.
Thing is that influences from other more ideological instances will make it onto All threads. “Lib-shaming” is something some folks at lemmy.ml, hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml like to do frequently, which is where those experiences might have come from.
Lib shaming is for good reason as the US and most of the western world falls to fascism thanks to libs creating the material conditions for it.
(as one girl, who volunteered for the Democrats said “I just got yelled at because I can’t be Left wing unless I want to destroy capitalism? Which feels weird.”)
I get why folks do it, but I’m not sure if they’re going to get people to embrace their philosophy, if they keep jeering at other people like this. There are more cordial ways that one can acknowledge the benefits while showing why the drawbacks outweigh them.
Can vouch for this. I learned a thing or two from people who had the patience to explain. Including some ML people. @Cowbee@lemmy.ml for example has nerves of steel. Permanent snark isn’t useful but it’s understandable, especially coming from people who are being actively harmed. Repeating the same things over and over without frustration isn’t something everyone can do.
Appreciate the kind words! You’re 100% correct in saying that snark isn’t useful but is understandable. Many good people are being actively harmed and are out of patience in explaining how and why said harm exists, and how we can move beyond it. Ultimately, what I’ve found is that most people aren’t going to be convinced of something that seriously challenges their worldview in a single conversation, but through compatible life experiences make themselves more open to new ideas. Those are the ones that end up listening to others genuinely and taking to heart what the other person has to say.
While I do think some ways of communicating are certainly more effective than others, social change also requires some amount of tension to be effective. Cordial methods are often the first to be tried, and are also most often summarily ignored.
Moderates often find tension emotionally distressing because it pierces their perception of themselves as a morally just person. They sometimes perceive what is often valid criticism as being yelled at. This tension is required in order to enact social change, though.
As someone who has been on the receiving end of that tension before, I can attest it’s an unpleasant experience, but it passes, and hopefully leaves room for some amount of contemplation in its place.
I’d highly recommend reading MLK’s “Letter from Birmingham Jail”, as he bridges the concept much more eloquently than I could ever hope to.
Queer people like myself are currently in the crosshairs and don’t have the energy or patience to put up with this shit.
I’ve been screaming from the top of my lungs since 2000!!! about how we were heading towards fascism and nobody listened. I’m out of fucks to give. If they’re too stupid to see it that’s on them. In my book lib shit behavior is complicit in the rise of fascism.
Then maybe don’t waste energy being shitty online and instead build the local community and personal resources to protect your ass.
If I was in your situation looking at the changes Trump did in just the executive orders his first day, I can tell you one thing that would be at the absolute fucking bottom of my todo list: argue on the fucking internet.
I’m currently extremely ill and bedridden with a painful and dangerous dental infection that I’m struggling to get adequate treatment for thanks to capitalism.
But yeah, do tell me how to live my life. Typical liberal scolding.
Also I LOVE the assumption that I don’t normally make community when I’m well. 🙄
This is some incel logic.
“Women won’t date me so I’ll call them bitches and sluts!”
“People don’t vote for my side so I’ll say they’re enabling fascism!”
Typical lemmy.world user right there.
I’m a queer woman.
And the logic you’re using is very similar to an incel.
That’s literally how analogies work, you compare similarities in unlike things, e.g., my cat snores like a chainsaw. She is not a chainsaw but has a comical similarity in one aspect, even if she can’t cut down a tree and does not use gas or electricity.
“People don’t vote for my side so I’ll say they’re enabling fascism!”
iconic, I’ve been repeatedly told by liberals that because I voted third party that I’m essentially a trump voter.
that wasn’t what was said though.
they said that liberals created the material conditions for fascism. i.e. by suppressing the left and only offering up warmongering and genocide they created a situation where someone like trump could get elected. again.
a fair number of the people who are on this platform are here specifically because oligarch-owned media sites heavily censor all left wing speech, and have done so for many years.
a fair number of the people who are on this platform are here specifically because oligarch-owned media sites heavily censor all left wing speech, and have done so for many years.
I got banned from every platform, and my account on lemmy.world was also banned.
Capitalist owned platforms support fascists and ban anti capitalists, anti fascists, anti imperialists. We’re a threat to power and profit. Look at all the capitalists lining up to suck trumps mushroom cock right now. They’ll do whatever it takes to make a buck, whores are more honest than them.
I got banned from every platform, and my account on lemmy.world was also banned.
Gee, from your comments on this post I could never imagine how that could happen.
If everywhere you go people smell like shit, maybe you should check your shoes.
I’d strongly suggest that the issue isn’t your beliefs, but that you’re about as abrasive as kissing the pavement at 75mph.
Typical liberal tone policing while lives are at stake.
Everything I don’t like is Liberal: A Guide to Modern Lemmy Discourse
More seriously, lives are not at stake in this particular comment section.
Edit: and I never told you to stop, just that it’s abrasive as shit and likely why you’re being banned so damn much. Do with it what you will. I’m not your parents, the police, or your boss.
Lib shaming is for good reason as the US and most of the western world falls to fascism thanks to libs creating the material conditions for it.
Presumably, there was an alternative group to vote for in primaries or however else this delightful person thinks change should happen. People did not do whatever they think should have happened and thus I will name call them.
There was a primary this time around and it was even more of a farce than usual. The party just straight up ignored all the people voting uncommitted, to all of our detriment.
People did not do whatever they think should have happened and thus I will name call them.
I don’t actually understand what this is saying.
Either way this isn’t the place for a back and forth on this kind of thing, so I won’t be discussing the election further.
To steer back to your original topic though, you seem accustomed to the type of censorship of the left that’s typical on Reddit. Many of the people that are here are specifically here because the left wing communities they were participating in were systematically removed from reddit.
The reality is in a place like this sometimes you’re going to hear dissenting opinions, unless you’re very selective in your instance and only browse local.
I have to say it again:
- Fascists promise to do fascist things
- Americans elect fascists
- Fascists do fascist things
- HOW COULD DEMOCRATS DO THIS???
And I have to say it again: libs created the material conditions to let it happen. Obama bailed out Wall Street instead of Main Street. People aren’t born fascist. They become it. Twice Obama voters switching to trump is great example of that and as usual democrats say nuh uh im not listening!!!
So you’re mad at Democrats for not being fascist enough?
What an idiotic take. Millions of people lost their homes in 2008 and watched those responsible walk away with millions of dollars in golden parachutes thanks to Obama lining his cabinet with Goldman Sachs bros and holding no one responsible. The “tea party” that formed is trumps base today.
Jesus Christ read a fucking book.
Whatever you need to think to excuse fascists for being fascists, I guess.
You’re way too fucking stupid for this. Complete lack of intellectual ability. Fascism doesn’t exist in a vacuum and as a typical liberal you take the lazy route and refuse to see how democrats played a massive part in allowing fascism to flourish by being failed leaders, just like the Weimar Republic.
Open a goddamn history book for fucks sake. Your ignorance threatens my queer existence.
It’s a bit more like:
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Capitalism creates the material conditions that promote fashism
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Democrates aren’t fashists, but they keep capitalism
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The material conditions that promote fashism end up happening and fashism props up
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Fashists end up getting elected
The point isn’t that the Democrats are fashists, but that they would rather continue support the thing that litterally empowers fashism rather than doing anything else. Kinda like a person who refuses to get vaccinated and spreads a disease to everyone else.
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Please, Slrpnk may by attractive for different kind of people due to aesthetic and design buy its core philosophy is not Lib, is Anarchy.
Lemmy world left??? Lol they’re milquetoast liberals and capitalism is garbage. Your friend needs to grow up.
Yeah, this is exactly the childish annoyances and unpleasantness I’m talking about.
Sorry not sorry. The world is falling to fascism thanks to the conditions created by capitalism and your friend needs to grow the fuck up and read some history. Lemmy world is centrist lib shit takes, if your friend thinks that’s “left” then maybe they should go to a fascist platform like meta or x where they belong.
Mate, you’re not going to deconvert libs by pushing them towards the fascists. You don’t have to be so antagonistic all the time.
As a queer person I’ve completely lost my patience with shit libs. They’re fascists.
Also if they’re that easily pushed to fascism they had it in them all along and were never an ally and don’t belong on lemmy.
Fine, you don’t have to have patience with them, but that doesn’t mean you have to jump in and start flaming when they’re not even making reactionary statements. There’s others who do have the patience to help deconvert them.
Calling lib shit lemmy world “too left” is reactionary
If you are making alternatives to republicanism more unpleasant and unappealing to the people whom we need to persuade, well, it seems like you are aiding fascism…
alternatives to republicanism
You calling spez’s little playground and a far right “enlightened centrist” instance like . world “left-wing” makes it abundantly evident to anyone with more than half a brain and the slightest bit of education that any supposed alternatives to fascism you’d find acceptable would be effectively indistinguishable from fascism.
Only fascists and idiots would want to be appealing to fascists.
It’s a very good thing that you don’t feel welcome outside of your fascist echo chambers.
If it’s that easy to support fascism you’re a fascist all along. Typical liberal.
You’re missing the point.
By being wildly unpleasant at people, you’re making it less likely they’ll read the news you agree with, read the same books and come to the same conclusions…
“Oh good, that person who called me a fascist is recommending something! I’ll definitely read that!” - said no one ever.
So if you can’t handle that there are other opinions, you either need to find the communities which support your opinions or go back to corporate internet, which filters out uncomfortable stuff for you.
… or clone the software and host it yourself.
Corporate internet doesn’t even filter out “uncomfortable” shit for people. They have a vested interest in keeping people engaged whether it’s through love or hate.
This is a misconception I see all the time. Reddit et al try their hardest to make browsing feel like a roller coaster to keep up engagement.
That’s funny because the majority of Lemmy.World are people who left Reddit during the 3rd party app-ocolypse. Though I suppose many of them also saw Reddit becoming more and more pro-Nazi as time went on. The loss of the apps was just the kick in the pants needed to actually leave.
Lemmy.world is considered the “normie” instance. Even if you manage to find another instance, it won’t matter that much anyway since most interactions are from federated users. The only way to avoid leftist views on Lemmy is to avoid politics completely (which isn’t viable).
Many people block all political communities and keywords. It’s definitely viable.
If you block political words and Linux this place is a ghost town…
… Except for LotR memes of course.
I can understand blocking political words, but Linux? You might as well browse 9gag at that point.
Linux
Linux isn’t politics. :(
i use arch, btw.
Linux isn’t politics
A wild Richard Stallman has appeared!
The worst enemy of a leftie are other slightly different lefties lol
The good think of federation is that you can mute/block morons. And because there’s no “algorithm” you are not shown content that the server thinks you are interested. So you have to be proactive and follow what you want to see, and mute the ones you dislike.
Also, you can have multiple accounts for multiple purposes. It’s sane not to discuss politics with other people from other cultures all day, so you can have a dedicated account for that. And other account to have fun in a sane way, which includes muting politics.
In the case of this girl, she was american like the majority of lemmings I believe. But for people from the other hemisphere, the cultural shock may be even worse. My advice for those is always: Just mute. Don’t argue and don’t feed trolls. Nobody is gonna change opinions anyways.
I feel like she wasn’t told to use the block feature freely and deliberately. The block feature is your friend.
