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    Tabs were a welcome addition, but that’s where the good idea train swiftly leaves the rails.

    What we needed was a built-in hex editor, and maybe some better tools for working with unicode that you can’t just type in on whatever keyboard you have.

    Instead, they turned it into WordPad, which we already have.

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      Its not even wordpad. It only supports markdown not rtf… it only exists so they could easily shove copilot into it.

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        True, but IMO it makes a lot more sense to support markdown under Wordpad than Notepad since the controls and doc-style layout/rendering support is already there.

        it only exists so they could easily shove copilot into it.

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        I get the saltiness about Copilot but this is getting ridiculous.

        It got dark mode, sessions, tabs, and a Markdown viewer. How are these bad changes? How do these “only exist so they could easily shove Copilot into” them?

        (btw, you can disable Copilot from Notepad with three clicks)

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            Let’s try from a different angle: which functionalities of Notepad have been lost?

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              Well I’m not on Windows anymore so I can’t test it out. Does it still have the option to only show text raw and uninterpeted? I absolutely would not want it to, like, show bold instead of **bold**

              I wouldn’t want it to do anything other than show the literal text, and anything in that direction is a loss via added friction.

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                Does it still have the option to only show text raw and uninterpeted? I absolutely would not want it to, like, show bold instead of bold

                1. You have to manually switch the display mode from raw to formatted for the formatting to show.
                2. It only works for saved .md files.
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      Since Microslop Windooze 11:Enshittified Edition.

      Win 11 has been a privacy/anonymity/usability nightmare. Thanks in no small part to MS enshittifying absolutely every corner of it with AI. Right down to grabbing it by the notepad.

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        That makes no sense even if you ignore the fact that Copilot can be easily disabled in Notepad, and it doesn’t directly load with the app (as in: doesn’t slow down startup or anything like that).

        Notepad works just as it always had, it just has dark theme, tabs, sessions, and a Markdown viewer now.

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          @Alaknar@sopuli.xyz @programmer_humor@programming.dev

          Well, I confess I’m in no good position to say anything about Windows 11, for I’ve been a daily Linux-only user (Arch, by the way) for almost a decade.

          However, as far as I’ve seen about Windows, AI (especially that spying feature designed to take screenshots and create a lookup-able timeline, “Microsoft Recall” if I recall (pun intended) correctly) seems to be so intertwined with Windows that even the Windows Explorer’s Shell has now a hard dependency on AI-related and Microsoft Edge-related libraries. This way, if someone were to try and purge the Windows from AI-related crap, it will break the OS, Explorer simply won’t launch.

          Also, “can be easily turned off” implies something that comes enabled by default: the exact same dilemma behind Mozilla Firefox and all the crap they’ve been imbuing inside the browser. In the end of the day, it’s a non-consented relation. The fact it can be opted-out doesn’t make it less of a non-consented relationship, for the non-consented relation already happened as the user proceeds to opting-out of it. In other realms of legality, it would be considered a crime, but as it’s something done by corporations (Microsoft, Mozilla, Google), they it’s suddenly “a-okay”.

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            Don’t take this as an attack against yourself, but holy shit, where are you getting your news from? Do people seriously believe that everything is AI in Windows now?

            Recall is not yet live (it’s available as a preview feature), you have to enable it manually, and even then you can disable it easily.

            Copilot barely does anything. They’re basically shoving the button wherever they can to goad people into using it, but that’s mostly it.

            “Purging” the OS from “AI-related crap” would purge it from AI-related crap and not break anything (source: did this on my previous work laptop)

            Also, “can be easily turned off” implies something that comes enabled by default

            It’s a button. If you click the button, a Copilot interface loads with the file you’re editing pre-loaded as context. Unless you click it, it does nothing other than taking up space. You can disable the button from the Settings.

            I agree about all the opt-out/opt-in stuff, but also understand why a company catering to 80% of the market defaults to opt-out - users are dumb, they have no clue how to explore features, so opt-in features remain forever disabled for 99% of them.

            And then Apple does an update with an identical feature enabled by default, and everybody goes “damn, if only Microsoft thought of this!”

            I don’t understand what “crime” you mean.

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              @Alaknar@sopuli.xyz @programmer_humor@programming.dev

              Don’t take this as an attack

              It’s okay, no offense taken.

              where are you getting your news from?

              Mostly from Lemmy, but also from Gizmodo.

              Do people seriously believe that everything is AI in Windows now?

              Tbf, it doesn’t help the fact that corps are shoving AI into everything they can and can’t. I’m far from being Anti-AI, but when we live in a world where everything is being AI-fied, I can totally understand the anti-AI fellows and their sentiment “Windows = AI”.

              Recall is not yet live (it’s available as a preview feature), you have to enable it manually, and even then you can disable it easily.

              As far as I read, it’s partially true. Not true, however, in cases when the PC was set up by someone other than you, e.g. in workplaces. If the company someone works to decides to enable Recall “to improve productivity”, anything done by the employee will be seen, not just by the employer, but by Microsoft too, not to mention hackers who will love to get their hands at this golden goose of private data.

              They’re basically shoving the button wherever they can to goad people into using it, but that’s mostly it
              It’s a button. […] Unless you click it, it does nothing other than taking up space.

              Maybe. But the presence of the button, alongside the shortcuts for features “summarizing”, “auto-formatting text” and other AI-driven features, implies Copilot is a whole dependency on .dll/.exe related to Copilot, as well as potential unintended network comm with Microsoft servers.

              “Purging” the OS from “AI-related crap” would purge it from AI-related crap and not break anything (source: did this on my previous work laptop)

              Okay, fair point.

              I agree about all the opt-out/opt-in stuff, but also understand why a company catering to 80% of the market defaults to opt-out - users are dumb, they have no clue how to explore features, so opt-in features remain forever disabled for 99% of them.

              I heard the same during a discussion about Firefox here in Lemmy. “Users are dumb, so corp needs to guide them through the new features by enrolling them automatically”. Whenever I hear about how “users are dumb”, I can’t help but wonder how the so-called “dumb users” are allowed and able to drive a half-tonne car at 120kph or, even worse, (it doesn’t even need a license) voting (allowed responsibility over everyone’s lives)!

              And then Apple does an update with an identical feature enabled by default, and everybody goes “damn, if only Microsoft thought of this!”

              Maybe it’s because iThings aren’t socially pushed as Microsoft things are. You said yourself: Microsoft is “a company catering to 80% of the market” dominating the PC market, not Apple.

              what “crime” you mean

              Non-consensual relationship. Harassment. In this case, it’s software harassment disguised as dark patterns such as opt-off when it should be opt-in.

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                Mostly from Lemmy

                Yeah, Lemmy is weird, especially the tech-related communities for some reason. It’s like: “if it’s not Linux and FOSS, it’s literal cancer, unless it’s Microsoft’s, then it’s literal radioactive and aggressive cancer”.

                I can totally understand the anti-AI fellows and their sentiment “Windows = AI”.

                100% agreed. However, as with any other opinion, fundamentalism is bad, m’kay. I get why people are tired of AI (I’m in the same boat!) but there has to be rationality involved.

                As far as I read, it’s partially true.

                That’s just ordinary standard click-bait from a tech site. They themselves mention that the rollout will be “to beta users”, that means Insiders. Insider builds are very different from regular builds and many features are force-enabled in them.

                Which makes sense: if you’re making the very conscious decision of signing up to Windows Insider, after going through the warnings about the nature of the program, you should know full well about what it comes with.

                I was reinstalling my wife’s Windows recently and was asked if I want to enable Recall, with a very prominent “the feature is in preview” on the screen.

                Not true, however, in cases when the PC was set up by someone other than you, e.g. in workplaces. If the company someone works to decides to enable Recall “to improve productivity”, anything done by the employee will be seen, not just by the employer, but by Microsoft too, not to mention hackers who will love to get their hands at this golden goose of private data.

                Oof, there’s a bit to unpack here.

                1. If it’s workplace, it’s not the employee’s device, it’s the workplace’s. Nothing the employee does is private, that’s the whole point of managed devices. Nobody ever looks at what the employee does (unless their manager is completely fucking insane), because nobody has the time for that, but in case of, say, litigation, or such, the data is there. Recall isn’t needed for that.

                2. Microsoft has zero access to Recall data. It’s 100% local (hence the “Copilot+ PC” requirement - these are the PCs that have CPUs with an “NPU”, or “Neural Processing Unit”, allowing them to run LLMs locally without killing performance).

                3. For hackers to get to this data, they’d need to break the network security measures, the account security measures, anti-virus security measures AND BitLocker. Which is to say: a hacker getting access to Recall is the least of a workplace’s worries, because it means they’re effectively wide open to the Internet.

                4. There’s not much in Recall that you can’t extract from the browser’s cache. Many of these things are actually less useful, because even if you steal someone’s password by scraping Recall data (and that’s assuming something goes wrong and Recall doesn’t redact it), you won’t be able to sign in from a different device due to MFA. However, if you have such deep-level access to the device, you can, instead, steal the token used for logging in - that one usually already comes with the MFA token, so you can sign in anywhere.

                Maybe. But the presence of the button, alongside the shortcuts for features “summarizing”, “auto-formatting text” and other AI-driven features, implies Copilot is a whole dependency on .dll/.exe related to Copilot, as well as potential unintended network comm with Microsoft servers.

                Those features - to my knowledge - only work on the devices with the NPU, which is to say: they run locally. I haven’t really looked into it, though. Either way: they are fully optional and dormant until the user clicks them.

                Whenever I hear about how “users are dumb”, I can’t help but wonder how the so-called “dumb users” are allowed and able to drive a half-tonne car at 120kph

                Check any news source for the road accident numbers. You start to see a trend now?

                or, even worse, (it doesn’t even need a license) voting (allowed responsibility over everyone’s lives)!

                Did you not notice who won in the US last year?

                Maybe it’s because iThings aren’t socially pushed as Microsoft things are

                How do you mean? The only difference I can think of is that Apple users are generally more enthusiastic towards Apple products than MS users. That being said, we’ve seen countless times that whatever Apple does is called “revolutionary”, whereas when MS does, people don’t care. First touch-screen phones: Microsoft. Best digital assistant: Microsoft. Best optimised mobile OS: Microsoft. Etc., etc.

                And we’ve already seen that recently with Recall - Microsoft announced it, and people lost their shit, talking about how dangerous that is, how security is 100% compromised right now, and how everybody has to switch to MacOS or Linux.

                Then, two weeks later, Apple announced it’s identical but less secure version of Recall, and there was nothing overtly negative in the media about it. Some sceptical articles here and there.

                Non-consensual relationship. Harassment. In this case, it’s software harassment disguised as dark patterns such as opt-off when it should be opt-in.

                That’s, unfortunately, not how it works. I agree that dark patters suck and people who use them should be banned from making any executive decisions regarding software ever, but most of the time when people are complaining about dark patterns these days, it’s completely benign shit.

                Like, come on, a button showing up with a new feature is now a “dark pattern”? Let’s be real here.

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      Feels like everything is. Might as well describe every app by it‘s (now) secondary function.

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      I hated wordpad. New notepad is so much better than the old. An undo on old notepad would undo the last 1-7 sentences randomly, and wouldn’t redo. Remembering notes is also good, and I love markdown.
      I don’t use the ai and it never was in the way of what I needed, so whatever.

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        The last time I used notepad the undo option worked both as undo and redo, since it only kept the latest change and undoing was also a change that could be undone.

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      Both classic Notepad and classic WordPad can be downloaded and installed from third-party sites.

      However, to thoroughly neuter the enshittified versions and ensure the classic versions are used in all workflows can take a bit more than what the installers recommend. Primarily, I would recommend adding the *.bak extension to the enshittified versions then make (IIRC) junction links from the classic ones to where the enshittified ones are sitting. This ensures that if anything reaches for the enshittified ones, the junction links are there to redirect the action to the classic versions.

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        That’s a funny way of saying “Re-install Windows 10” or “install Linux”

        (I don’t use Arch btw)

        (also, yes. The .bak thing works)

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        Not always (looking angrily at you Outlook, meanwhile your brother Excel excels (ha!) at doing this while inputting data).

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          Fuck excel. The default should be to leave whatever the fuck I paste in there alone. If I want you to reformat shit I’ll tell you to reformat it.

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          But but but that’s unacceptable!

          Custom hotkey to trigger simple plaintext clipboard script, couldn’t live without it.

          (“Script“ is a scary word for many of us but you probably only ever see the code once or instead use some free open source clipboard manager that has “replace clipboard with plain text“ built-in.)

          Anyway you’re right, I probably still use a similar workaround once a week!

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        that doesn’t usually work when copying between different Microsoft products. it always fucks it up somehow or simply doesn’t let you

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    This is a bad rant. Nvim has markdown format rendering too, does that make it worse? I’d say the markdown rendering was a good update, because now my tech illiterate coworkers can open the .md files I sprinkle everywhere and see them as their meant.

    No, the true madness is the advent of tabs that stay open until explicitly closed, even if the program is terminated, and come back when you open the app from scratch.

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      At least Nvim allows me to turn that shit off, select a plugin that matches my preferences, or program a keyboard shortcut to toggle rendering on and off. The MS Editor just unilaterally decides that your file should now end in .md, because it contains what MS considers markdown formatting, as if there’s no way a plain text file could contain lines beginning with # (although, granted, you have to press one of the formatting buttons first, before the editor switches to “markdown mode” and starts behaving that way).

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    They also introduced a critical security vulnerability into notepad where they just had the markdown links shell execute open link which allowed just installing arbitrary software as long as the link was valid instead of just opening a browser.

    If you managed to get the file onto a person’s you could execute it by having the person click on the link.

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    I mean you’re right, but also look at what emacs or vim are doing on the linux side. Overloading your notepad application is hardly a concept birthed on Windows.

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      Vim has kept to simple sanity.

      We don’t talk about LazyVim.

      Edit: I heard Emacs might be getting a text editor added soon.

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        I’m not so sure about that. Vim has syntax highlighting, programming language support (assisted via ctags), two terminal emulators, a window manager, two (arguably three) programming languages, transparent remote file editing…

        So anyway, I use an editor that doesn’t waste my time: Ed, man! !man ed.

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      I’d argue the Linux equivalent is more something like nano, and I wouldn’t say nano is overloaded

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    @RmDebArc_5@piefed.zip @programmer_humor@programming.dev

    Wasn’t there a lurking edit.exe or edit.cmd somewhere inside C:\WINDOWS\system32? Would make an interesting replacement to the enshittified “Not-e-pad”. But, then, I haven’t used Windows since Windows 10 was still a novelty (and what definitely pushed me to Linux… Arch Linux btw), so maybe I’m very old (“I’m old, Dean, very old”) to recall of a MS-DOS relic.

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      Wasn’t there a version of ed in DOS at one point? Or am I mis remembering?

      That could still lurk somewhere in windows’ maze of directories somewhere…

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        @AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world @programmer_humor@programming.dev

        Good question. I’m not sure. I guess no, because, as far as I know, ed is a GNU editor which allows for composing and editing files in a REPL-like environment (whose specific commands, apart from “q” to quit, I’m yet to learn)

        The “edit” I’m referring to was a spiritual antecessor or cousin of vim, emacs and nano. It was a TUI, full with a functional menubar accessible through keyboard arrow keys. I remember it having a blue background with gray/white text.

        I remember with quite a certainty it was a thing for Windows XP. Was invokeable by using “edit filename.txt” in cmd.

        However, I also remember having manually copied some executables across diferent Windows versions in order to test and see whether these old executables would work. I remember having successfully ran Windows XP’s calc.exe in some later Windows version, relying on the compatibility layer (“ntvdm”, I guess?). I remember doing the same for 16-bit, MS-DOS programs, but I don’t remember whether “edit” MS-DOS programs was included in post-XP Windows versions, or if I manually copied it from XP.

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          Maybe it’s edit I’m remembering. It was a long time ago, and I stopped using windows seriously around 3.11, so I never paid much attention to what was on that partition. It was only there to run steam (and a few other games).

          I suppose I should have switched to a console, but it never even occurred to me at the time.