• mudkip@lemdro.id
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    Stop replying on U.S. companies for technologies that provide the backbone of our governments!

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    To be fair, I find the idea of a government outsourcing IT needs to entities under the sovereignty of foreign governments kind of fundamentally problematic to begin with.

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    Why do european tech companies need to call their products the same name as already established american products. Don’t they google the names before they make the decision?

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      It’s the French common name for this, visioconférence. Why would they care about Microsoft products for this?

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      Visio is an outdated spreadsheet name, in English.

      Visio is the new video conferencing software, in French.

      France leads the world, it is up to everyone else to worry about conflict with France, not the other way around. /s

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        It’s uncouth and unfashionable, the French prefer to get information by sticking their head out of the window whilst wildly waving a baguette and yelling: “Quoi de neuf ?

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    Trump is amazing. He literally destroys anything he touches and still get rewarded for it. Just wow.

    Edit: Destroys casinos and hotels. Gets rewarded a tv show. Destroy multiple brands. Get rewarded the presidency. Destroys so many American lives. Gets rewarded the presidency a second time. Destroys the United States and it’s ties with it’s allies. Gets rewarded with untold billions.

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    Good on them, but I Wonder why they can’t just build on top of something open source like Nextcloud.

    It already has the majority of the Office-365 suite

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      It is open source and built on top of livekit which is open source.

      All the tools of “La Suite Numerique” are open source.

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      Because the French government is hell bent on saving money, but they don’t care about anyone’s privacy at all. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are building a privacy nightmare system here. Having said that, at least they are removing Microslop, and anything that could potentially hurt Microslop in any way, shape or form, is a good thing.

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        i mean, a lot ia still in handwriten notebooks, the french and other similar countries should just skip IT and jump eight into the future and stay on paper, no?

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    Kind of funny considering that Visio is the name of another Microsoft product.

    ETA: I’m not defending Microsoft’s usage of the term ‘Visio’ here. The French use of that term makes a lot of sense, and Microsoft has an annoying tendency of using and copyrighting very common terms like ‘Word’ or ‘SQL Server’. And France (or the French government) should be allowed to use it for their video conferencing software. I’m just smiling at the idea of some people opening Microsoft Visio by mistake and trying to figure out how to make a call through a diagramming app.

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    Now replace Windows with Linux, and fucking invest into not needing to use American-controlled CPUs as every single one of them contains a backdoor.

    I don’t understand why governments trust official matters in the hands of closed source software and suspicious hardware. Even China uses a special version of Windows 11 in public computers, this is nuts.

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      and fucking invest into not needing to use American-controlled CPUs as every single one of them contains a backdoor.

      China has been working intensely for at least 2 decades to catch up, and they are still about a decade behind!

      Netherlands has ASML which is a huge advantage for European independent manufacturing, but even with that it’s an insanely expensive investment to make a realistic competitor to AMD, Intel, Nvidia, Qualcomm, Broadcom etc. because they have loads of patents that are hard to avoid, and they have decades of know how. This is not even accounting for the software infra structure that would have to be built almost from scratch.
      Chip production is a global enterprise, and even USA isn’t independent anymore. They depend on ASML and TSMC for their most popular products in AI, Smartphones, servers, laptops and desktops. And more and more Arm is taking over from Intel/AMD.

      What we may be able to do would be using Arm and have TSMC help us with manufacturing. But to make such a project succeed is not an easy thing, we had European computer companies in the 70’s and 80’s that were heavily subsidized by governments that dominated home markets for several European countries, and they essentially all failed against international competition.
      So what we risk if we were required to use a European product funded by EU/European governments would be to have to use an overpriced under-performing technology, that would be a millstone around the neck of all of Europe, making Europe not catch up, but instead fall further behind.

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        He is talking about software. A fucking video conferencing tool not controlled by American tech is no ASML level investment.

        We could at least start with this

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        they have loads of patents that are hard to avoid

        China doesn’t care about patents of outsiders.

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          Seems to me that it’s time for the rest of the world to invalidate US IP and go from there.

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          And the rules based international order has been exposed as the wink during a handshake deal. Who cares about patent law?

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      Ignorance, mostly. It’s sad but Chinese leaders seem to listen to their experts, while EU leaders listen to CEOs, and of large companies only.

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      … Pretty much every CPU contains backdoors, not just american ones. The Chinese government does the exact same thing as the American government. They are two sides of the same coin but the Chinese government seems more competent and efficient unlike the US government.

      Even if the hardware doesn’t have backdoors, the firmware often will, which you also can’t get around with software.

      The tier after that is software which also has a lot of back doors, luckily, you can run Linux and open source software. That is the best you can do. Really the only thing you can “trust” not to have backdoors is MCUs because those backdoors are much more likely to need physical access.

      Sadly, our entire tech world is built on backdoors and intentional security flaws to enable easier debugging, recovery, and compliance with government law enforcement after the sale.

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      Here’s my guess, and I could be completely wrong.

      All the governments use 2 sets of computers. The first, is a closed network used only internally. Open source, connected as a network, but NOT connected to outside neteorks. This uses closed source OS that they themselves develop. No backdoors. Highly secured.

      The second set is what you know. Windows 11, backdoors, easily spied on. Intentionally left open, because that’s their way to spy on the other countries.

      They leave this open, to let themselves be spied on, so that they can spy on the other side. Neither side realizing they’re both doing the same thing, and both sides just getting mostly useless info.

      Then, to throw off the trail of it being useless info, they occasionally allow a juicy bit of info into their windows computer. Just so it’s not obvious that this isn’t the real info.

      I have zero evidence, and came up with this theory after reading your comment. So I could be very wrong.

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    No mention of Capgemini on the announcement, there’s a chance this will actually ship!

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          Its how most Distros get started. Ubuntu is just tweaked Debian, with more than a decade of tweaks (and amazon spyware) piled up.

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            Ubuntu is just tweaked Debian

            All packages are recompiled for Ubuntu and Ubuntu has everything in its own repositories. They literally distribute the software. If you just change config files a bit and the software packages still come from Ubuntu, it’s not really your own distribution. It’s Ubuntu and repository accesses still count towards Ubuntu stats.