It’s not flashing a custom ROM. It is installing an OS of users choice. Enemy’s language shouldn’t be used if we want things to change
This is why “side load” is annoying to me. It’s installing. It is not special or different. They aren’t “blocking side loading” they’re “restricting what you can install.”
I’m 100% okay with how my Samsung Galaxy handles it: You access the Developer mode by pressing on the phone info screen in the settings for several seconds, and then there’s a switch that allows execution of random .apk files.
“Yes, do as I say.”
There was talk about Google changing this, but I’m not sure if that was something that would only affect Pixel phones or all of Android as an ecosystem. Well, to be specific, the change is to not let people run unsigned APKs at all and devs can only get them signed by giving their identification to Google.
I think they’re testing out different regions to see if they’ll get sued before trying to do this globally
Still custom as it’s not the default
What makes it “custom”? If you install Linux on a laptop that comes with Windows pre-installed, is Linux then a custom OS it’s not being a default? Why phones are any different? Calling it custom you play to the manufacturers pockets making it sound shady and unofficial giving them right to take the control from the customers devices. Soon we won’t own anything we buy.
I’ve never thought a custom ROM sounded shady.
To me it was always, “we only have vanilla or chocolate on the menu, but if you’re willing to risk bricking your phone, you can get cookies and cream.”
I picked cookies and cream.
On PC it is usually called “other”
To me it feels more like a full appliance as it’s not even intended primarily to install anything else.
But I can also see your point as a valid argument.Because for phones they kinda are custom. The smartphone hardware landscape is an absolute clusterfuck of proprietary blobs and closed source drivers and all sorts of shit that makes it so you need a lot of work to customize the base os to work on any particular device. ROMs have rather short lists of compatible phones, and each one of those had to have a build specifically developed for them. You can’t take, say, grapheneos and slap it on any phone you like.
The same applies to every pre-installed OS. They are all customized from AOSP, but only third-party operating systems are called such. That was my point there.
Installing linux on your Dell that came with Windows isn’t “Installing a custom OS.”
Not IMO for phones but hey, it’s a free world ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You’ve been trained well.
Bruh.
That means they were making money by people running their os.
If they spend the money on re-engineering their devices not to allow it, there was a cost advantage to selling your data.
Wasn’t OnePlus like worshipped because of how much support for custom ROMs wth
The original “One” phone was even supposed to run cyanogemod out of the box at one point.
It was shipped with Cyanogenmod for a while.
Yes they were and did for about 6 years, 2014-2020ish isn’t a bad run
In better times, this would at least get a class action.
Holy shit. I wanted to say something constructive, but just…. holy shit. Intentional hard brick of a customer owned device….
“…long enough to become the villain.”
“OnePlus shoots own foot. Likely to blame consumers for it”
If true, this is sabotage of the customers product, and must 100% be illegal in almost any country!!
But my guess is they are limiting this to countries that have absolute shit consumer protection.I haven’t read the entire XDA thread but there are a few posts saying it’s limited to ColorOS (Chinese version of android that everyone else gets as OxygenOS). Unable to verify.
If they don’t reverse course, I’m sure it’ll roll out globally eventually. This has to run afoul of EU’s strong warranty laws right?
Things are illegal only when enforced. Otherwise they’re a suggestion at best.
That’s part of how shitty the consumer protection really is.
But common for all, there needs to be complaints before the law is involved.
…oh? I thought every console used this kind of tech as well.
So are console sold with the possibility of changing the OS, only to have that option removed later? There was some issue with PS3, but apart from that I never heard about it.
Ooooh, okay, now I understand. I was referring to the way modern consoles blow a fuse with each new patch so you can’t load older patches.
But yeah, the PS3 removed the ability to boot Linux which it was explicitly advertised to have and it was a huge thing at the time.
consoles blow a fuse with each new patch so you can’t load older patches.
Admittedly I was unaware of this, but for consoles it can have a real functional purpose as part of the protection against cheating.
Anticheat should be handled by the games, not the console (unless the games are produced by the console manufacturer)
No, this is done to ensure there’s no competition when selling games. Why do you think console games are pricier than PC ones? On PC we still have some competition.
It’s an anti-piracy/homebrew feature. Realistically, nobody is using that for cheating.
Seriously are there any Android brands that do not suck and ship everywhere (not limited to the US/EU markets)??
I believe thay all have shitty operating systems. But some of them have an aftermarket OS available. Pick your OS first, then look for a phone that can run it. Here are the ones I know of:
GrapheneOS
CalyxOS (on hiatus)
Crdriod
LineageOS
google pixel with grapheneos maybe
pixel 10 is pretty repairable hardware wise, some prior ones have glued in battery
so it basically permanently “damages” the phone when you try to root it, seems like they are asking for a lawsuit at some point.
Wanna try suing Samsung before that?
I thought the difference there is that they were upfront about the feature in Knox and you can still install another OS, it just disables Pay and the Secure Notes part. Also it was something there from the start.
This feels markedly different as it’s retroactive and a full brick, which is much more severe and a bait and switch.
My last contact with it was on my Samsung S8. I was not aware of any “For your security we will monitor for OS changes” communication
Why would they start with the harder one? Samsung is much better funded, and therefore will be a much more difficult case.
And no, it does not matter that Samsung did it first.
Kinda does.
I bought a OP 9Pro just before Oppo decimated the company. They moved from Oxygen OS to a poorly camouflaged version of Oppo Color OS and stripped out some of the features that made Oneplus what it was. Oppo also almost completely stopped fixing bugs, even some really serious ones that had been long documented. I recently bought a new phone and didn’t even consider
OneplusOppo.It seems to me that the only reason Oppo would do this is to preserve the revenue they get from selling customer data that should remain private. Otherwise why would Oppo care what OS people run on their hardware?
Hi, could you share what phone you bought? I’m looking for a replacement in the near future and I want to get a headstart on the research.
Bought a Pixel 10. After the last few days I’d only give it a C- review. Google uses their customers as beta testers and leaves all kinds of ridiculous bugs for their customers to deal with. The hardware is nice overall, but Android 16 needs lots of work. This is probably the reason so many Google employees refuse to use Android and buy Iphones.
The bugs Google has knowingly released include a broken volume control that requires the screen to be unlocked and the application be open for some applications, sleep schedules not working reliably, “helpful” nags ignoring the sleep schedule and waking me up in the middle of the night. Last night it was their “Find Hub” (renamed from “Find my Device” for some reason) waking me at 1:30AM to let me know I should set it up. A week ago it was my phone warning me at 3AM that Location was turned off and Accident Detection would not work. There have been more and right now I’m wishing I bought an Iphone. Google doesn’t deserve our business.
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OnePlus was never a consumer friendly company. People only liked it because their phones were cheaper than the standard market prices, however, most people understood that this price comes with the caveat that their device is designed, manufactured, and controlled by a Chinese company. Everybody knew that the CCP had their tentacles in these devices, and so it was only a matter of time before things like this start happening.
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Now who’s good bootlicker? Yes, you are! Want to bend over and give me paw?
While you keep deepthroating the boot of an evil regime, I, on the other hand, refuse to give my data to any government or corporation and I do my damnest to make sure my data stays secure.
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And yet my LinkedIn is still full of people complaining about how much the EU over-regulates
Cause that is expected of China but not EU
One plus joined my short list of “I can’t be bothered” companies like Samsung and Apple, Xiaomi, Oppo and some other sub par companies.
And all that while OnePlus was awesome up until the OnePlus 7 pro.
I had the 5t until last year and it was still awesome.
OnePlus is owned by Oppo, so that’s applied for a while. Now they’re just making it clearly known
I get why they do this, because downgrade attacks are a thing that are used to exploit devices remotely, but there are other ways to implement this, like what GrapheneOS does. Downgrading can also just be restricted to unlocked bootloaders as well via a software revocation list that gets deleted/bypassed upon unlocking.
There is no good reason for devices to use efuses to block downgrades unless they are trying to restrict user freedom a la consoles.
- Reasonable: prevent downgrades when the bootloader is locked
- Sketchy: prevent downgrades when the bootloader is unlocked
- Unhinged: hard-brick the device when a downgrade is attempted
No good reason
