• cmder@lemmy.world
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    15 days ago

    “Saying that Ukraine is a nazi regime” != “Criticizing Ukraine”
    “Saying that Ukraine is a nazi regime” == ruzzian propaganda justifying their war of aggression
    Also don’t identify me as an american state-sian because I speak English on the internet. I find it a little bit insulting.

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      15 days ago

      “Russian War of Aggression” lol this is like when southerners call the civil war “the war of northern aggression”. Just absolute cope to pretend they didn’t do everything possible to start it. I guess nazis doing ethnic cleansing isn’t worth stopping to you, huh?

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        Yes I am 100% against ethnic cleansing done by the ruzzian in Ukraine. Stealing children, torturing people, razing cities to destroy any source of culture to say later that this territory belongs to russia. You are just spitting Russian propaganda so you are either a bot or paid to do that.

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          “Umm no actually it’s the russians who are nazis, not the nazis! You’re a paid bot for remembering things! You’re not a real person! I’m not a fascist btw”

          Always projection with you nazis, huh?

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            15 days ago

            So you stating that ukraine is a nazi regime because it had a voluntary battalion with neo nazi in them fighting against the ruzzian invader in the Donbas?
            Wagner and ruzzian military comport a lot of neo nazi so I guess ruzzia is a nazi state?
            Republicans comport neo nazi so the USA is a nazi state?
            Every country in Europe has neo Nazi group like the one the picture so EU is Nazi?
            You see how dumb you sound?

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              The key distinction with Ukraine is that the Banderites actually are in control of the state, and the various neo-Nazi groups are empowered by said state. Every state has Nazi groups, but Ukraine stands out in that said Nazi groups took power in a coup in 2014.

              The EU is also fascist, as imperialism is declining they are surging to the right to force austerity at home.

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                15 days ago

                Again you make statements with no proof of what you are saying.
                What happened in 2014 is the first invasion of Ukraine in Crimea.

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                  The annexation of Crimea happened after Euromaidan. Yanukovych, the democratically elected president, was faced with a loan from the IMF and a loan from Russia. The IMF loan required austerity, privatizing social services, etc, while the Russian loan did not. Yanukovych went with the Russian loan, which sparked anti-government demonstrations due to the far-right not wanting to be closer to Russia.

                  The west backed the Banderites, who committed the Maidan Massacre, coup’d Yanukovych, and this sparked Donetsk and Luhansk to secede (as they were regions that majority supported Yanukovych). Fast forward to 2022, and a decade of civil war later, Donetsk and Luhansk asked Russia for support, to which they agreed. This sparked the modern phase of the war.

                  In all cases, the origins were in a decision made by a democratically elected president to reject western forced austerity, which enabled the rise of the Banderites to state power.

                  • just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                    15 days ago

                    So normally far right is always against some groups: nazi against jews, eu far right against immigrants etc

                    Who are ukrainian far right against? Russians?

                    Also why? For EU i think they work with bourgois cuz oppressed immigrants would work for cheaper

                    Whats then motive in Ukraine?

                    (Just some questions cuz you seem knowledgable on this topic)