Should be also third hand with Graham Plattner, but it would be lib too.
Yeah they’re nazi shits, but they are also ultranationalist fanatics who say they are ready die for their country. Putin and gang intend to invade. Tight spot. What are the options here?
A: Kick them out and persecute them : resources allocated elsewhere, risk of great loss from the invading russians.
B: Don’t let them participate : not great, pretty much sheltering nazis behind lines.
C: Let the ultranationalist fanatics die for their country like they want to.
They may be Nazis, but they’re our Nazis so that makes it okay
A lot of the Nazis are staying closer to Kiev, leaving conscripts to die on the frontlines. That’s why hundreds of thousands have deserted or fled to Belarus.
Dude donbass is occupied from 2008. Wealthy ukranians dont give a shit, 5millions fled cause they could buy houses everywhere. First week of war in Valencia we saw a spike in mercedes, thought they were Russians. They were so many. All males, 20/40 years old, buying flats.
“Sure they’re Nazis, but they help us fight Russia!”
-liberals in 1938
So did their plan work? Are the Nazis in Ukraine weaker or stronger now?
They have a list of people to kill like Israel. Mostly journalists. Some Italian guy was killed because he was documenting ukranian war crimes. If one kills like a nazi, act as a nazi, is he a nazi?
This is such a great illustration of how easily liberals can justify creating a fascist state.
I mean, most of them are fine with people kidnapping 5 years old and put them in concentration camps. They just go on socials to signal indignation
No wonder the libs love Graham Platner, just more goodies for them at the cost of the world
Wait, why are liberals represented by the black arm? Are you implying that all liberals are black /j
“We originally had both as black people but the conservatives lynched the other one.”
It’s Justin Trudeau’s arm at a Halloween party.
Damn ruzzian bot are here too ?
“Anyone who points out that I’m supporting a nazi regime is a both a treacherous Russian and also not a real person”
“A nazi regime lead by a Jewish”
“America can’t be racist because they had a black president”
Headass
Okay dude you claim Ukraine is a nazi regime so give me fact that support your propaganda.
List of sources: https://lemmy.ml/post/40735900/22934447
Like at this point you’re just desperate not to admit to yourself that the same media that tried to get you to support genocide in Palestine successfully tricked you into supporting nazis in Ukraine
I don’t need media to know that Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza and that Ukraine is not ruled by Nazi. I don’t need a media to know that russia is an imperialist state that invaded Ukraine for no good reason except gaining new territories and slave workers.
You know all of this if you actually go in those two countries (ukraine and russia) and if you talk with people from there (which I did).
Again you either a bot or brainwashed by russian propaganda so I won’t continue to talk with you.Slave workers? What?
Step one: ask for evidence Step two: claim you don’t need evidence
They saw Israel do it and have the same imperial power goading them.
“Yes, it’s completely, totally impossible”He is a war crime leader but not a nazi.
“Sure he’s doing a racially motivated lebensraum genocide but he’s not a nazi” lol ok fuck off now with your nazi apologia
I guess words don’t have sense anymore. I guess it my fault to argue with a bot.
Do you get out-argued by “bots” often? You find yourself in this position a lot, flailing with weak meaningless redditisms and telling yourself that the person proving you wrong isn’t a real human? You’re pathetic dude.
Even if we ignore what he’s doing in Palestine, he’s open hitlerite, just more out of the closet than you.
Yes of course I am a Nazi, I believe in human rights, that the human race is unique, that no ethnics is superior to another and that a people with its own culture and language have the rights to have nation.
If that is your definition of a nazi I guess you can say Putin is a democratic president and Trump an anti pedophile.and that a people with its own culture and language have the rights to have nation.
This is why Donetsk and Luhansk seceded from Kiev, though, as they are primarily culturally Russian, and Kiev, post-Euromaidan, began suppressing the Russian language. If you genuinely hold the values you do, then you should support the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics against Kiev.
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Libs also be like: “Anyone criticizing Israel is antisimetic” 🤝 “Anyone criticizing Ukraine is a Russian bot”
“Saying that Ukraine is a nazi regime” != “Criticizing Ukraine”
“Saying that Ukraine is a nazi regime” == ruzzian propaganda justifying their war of aggression
Also don’t identify me as an american state-sian because I speak English on the internet. I find it a little bit insulting.“Saying that Ukraine is a Nazi regime” == stating an inconvenient fact.
“Russian War of Aggression” lol this is like when southerners call the civil war “the war of northern aggression”. Just absolute cope to pretend they didn’t do everything possible to start it. I guess nazis doing ethnic cleansing isn’t worth stopping to you, huh?
Yes I am 100% against ethnic cleansing done by the ruzzian in Ukraine. Stealing children, torturing people, razing cities to destroy any source of culture to say later that this territory belongs to russia. You are just spitting Russian propaganda so you are either a bot or paid to do that.
“Umm no actually it’s the russians who are nazis, not the nazis! You’re a paid bot for remembering things! You’re not a real person! I’m not a fascist btw”
Always projection with you nazis, huh?
So you stating that ukraine is a nazi regime because it had a voluntary battalion with neo nazi in them fighting against the ruzzian invader in the Donbas?
Wagner and ruzzian military comport a lot of neo nazi so I guess ruzzia is a nazi state?
Republicans comport neo nazi so the USA is a nazi state?
Every country in Europe has neo Nazi group like the one the picture so EU is Nazi?
You see how dumb you sound?so the USA is a nazi state?
Holy shit, you’re finally starting to understand
The key distinction with Ukraine is that the Banderites actually are in control of the state, and the various neo-Nazi groups are empowered by said state. Every state has Nazi groups, but Ukraine stands out in that said Nazi groups took power in a coup in 2014.
The EU is also fascist, as imperialism is declining they are surging to the right to force austerity at home.
Yes, the US is a nazi state, it directly served as inspiration to Hitler, actually.
This narrative is fucking ridiculous to help justify an unjustifiable war. Putin is a fascist leading a fascist regime in a country that is the farthest thing from USSR. Invaded an independent country, started a modern trench war, because the Ukrainian army has a group that has Nazis? That’s the lamest excuse. All armies in the world have groups that are Nazi/Fascist sympathizers. You need to stop parroting fascist propaganda while calling yourselves Leftists.
The current regime in Kiev was installed by a US coup in 2014. Obama even bragged about carrying it out.
If you say “fascist” often enough, reality will bend to your will. You are a IRL jedi, controlling the world with your mind. Keep doing it.
I love how libs have no framework for analyzing why things happen so you just end up combining words you’ve heard before into a salad. Entertain me, tell me why you think this war started.
All armies in the world have groups that are Nazi/Fascist sympathizers
“Everyone has fascists”
A) wrong, pure projection
B) And do those groups run the entire government?
Americans are mostly one dimensional. They really believe they are the good guys fighting to export freedom and democracy in the world. They are mostly ultras, not an once of auto critic for their team. They are always the good guys. Always. It is irritating. Anyway, zelensky government was a coup. The guy is right.
“Independent country” lol no, current gov in Ukraine was installed by US backed coup, is an obvious puppet for our foreign policy, removing it is a good thing regardless of who does it
Remeber how many cia bases Biden could install there. Biden son was getting 1million per month to dont work.
You are an American, or you only get info on socials. Read about Ukranian war a bit, how it could have ended in few months, how the end of the war would have hurt american interests. Stat here, but eurpean newspapers were pretty informing at that time. https://www.intellinews.com/fresh-evidence-suggests-that-the-april-2022-istanbul-peace-deal-to-end-the-war-in-ukraine-was-stillborn-321468/
Please guys stop thinking about good and bad guys in politics or wars. Start thinking.
All armies in the world have groups that are Nazi/Fascist sympathizers.
Evidence of this? It’s hard to prove a 100%, and I doubt AES countries do.
This is true. You need people ready to kill and die because of an order. Sane people, if free to choose, dont go to war
It only takes one side to have fanatics for the other side to need to defend itself; it’s not just an order that drives sane people to war.
Injustifiable war, exactly. Donbass is occupied from 2008. They had elections to go with russia. Instambul treaty was signed, when usa and Johnson decided war had to continue. This is an injustifiable war driven by USA. Like many in the world.
If Ukraine is so independent why does Zelensky has to go regularly to the white house to lick whoever sits there and get embarrassed publicly?
30% of ukranians flew before being conscripted. They guys fighting are the poor ones that dont actually own any apartment in the donbass.
The ones fighting are the nazis because they’re the only ones with the will to fight at this point. Look at how azov ballooned from a battalion to basically the entire military
They killed an Italian journalist which was documenting ukranian war crimes. Andrea rochelli is the name.
uhm… excuse me good sir but this is russian propaganda. don’t call my wholesome ukrainian army ‘nazis’ they’re just small chunguses and lowk like the avengers saving themselves from thanos.
Shut up, your is American propaganda. War could have ended in 4 months if not for Biden. Do you remeber the instambul treaty ?
Her comment is satire.
Andrea rochelli was killed because he was documenting ukranian war crimes. This is nazi shit.
lowk like the avengers saving themselves from thanos
i always imagine the nazis w super hereo tattoos and the most clueless out of anyone.
the meme refers to the elements of the army that see themselves in OUN & NS tradition.
Don’t forget it’s also a bit like Hogwarts students fighting the Deatheaters.
Imperialism is actually a good thing when the government you’re attacking has bad people in it. Just like Iraq, right guys?
Lol dumb
Oh, was Iraq bad? I was told by shitlibs that the guy in charge of the government who we put there to secure resources and kill leftists had suddenly and overnight become the ultimate villain and we would be greeted as liberators. I was told that if I disagreed with total war I was a “Saddm lover”. What ever happened to that? Seems like everyone is pretending they never supported it now.
Anyway, no time to think back and learn from the past. We have to support this nazi government that we installed to secure resources and kill leftists! These are our nazis, that makes it okay! Operation Paperclip? Idk sounds like some commie conspiracy theory!
Like what’s the common American denominator here dude? Also you don’t know what imperialism is, or you wouldn’t be using a definition that classifies the D Day landings as “imperialist”.
Some bad people in it
“Just a few seig heiling bad apples in the heights of government and military power”
Overall this is a truly shit-tier analogy, try harder. You are the Humvee-driving Iraq war cheerleader in this metaphor.
One bad apple spoils the whole barrel.
Was Iraq bad? Ofc. Who installed saddam in the first place? Trump is telling: Americans first create the mess, buy the dips ( like Iraqi gold), then either flee like in Afghanistan, or try to reach some kpi for allied press. American imperialism is a cancer.
💯%. Set em up, knock em down, repeat, profit
Remember Ukraine killing journalists documenting war crimes? Andrea Rochelli was the name. He was added on an infamous list of ukranians enemies and killed after that
