• pachrist@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    There are many good arguments against God. This is not one of them.

    It’s a slightly more complicated version of whether God can create a rock so big he cannot lift it. Can God create a universe where I simultaneously have freewill and also don’t have the ability to do anything outside his will (evil)? Can 0 equal 1? The answer to that question isn’t yes/no, it’s that the question is invalid. Freewill does not equal non-freewill. It’ll confuse some unprepared Sunday School teacher, but that’s it.

    • reliv3@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      I agree, this is not a good argument against the existence of god, but it seems to be a fine argument against certain models of god. To get out of the paradox, one must be willing to give up certain notions about god. Either:

      1. God isn’t all knowing, so it’s unaware of all the evil in the universe.
      2. God doesn’t have infinite power, making god unable to create a universe without evil (perhaps due to limitations of what god can and cannot do.
      3. God is not entirely good or god’s definition of good does not align with what us humans have been taught. God doesn’t see evil where we see evil so it does not use its infinite power and knowledge to change it.

      I think there are a lot of theists who would have trouble accepting one of these notions, which would keep them stuck within this paradox.

      • Manmoth@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        3 months ago

        1. The Orthodox Christian God is all knowing. Evil is the absence of Good. (e.g. darkness is the absence of light)

        2. Similarly this God is all powerful and has already defeated evil through the sanctification of man’s nature through the death of Jesus Christ on the cross. Faith and cooperation with the Holy Spirit is how man communes with God.

        3. Evil is the absence of good. So wherever people sin against God evil exists. Fallen beings exist as well because they too sinned against God but are eternally damned whereas man is redeemable.

        God is indescribable and inconceivable. He created a church on Earth so that we can worship him. Worshipping God is good for us not just because God is good to us but because he literally is “good”. In a world without God good and evil don’t exist.