In an unmodified windows it would also show random tabloid news from MSN or affiliates inside the start menu…
Only $9.95 for the first hour, then $39.99 thereafter.
no cancellation fee!! ~for the first 5 seconds of your subscribtion, after that its $59,99~
I keep a small Win11 partition on my 2022 gaming laptop in case I need to take a cert exam or use a gov website, and I booted it for updating for the first time in 6 months. It took over 6 hours and 6 reboots to update! At one point, it was going bu-ding every minute from random notifications so I had to mute it.
Meanwhile, my 2012 Thinkpad T420 needed a full Fedora version upgrade, and that finished in 15 minutes.
No wonder MS is losing users
tbf if you didn’t update fedora for 6 months you may aswell downlaod a new iso and they also do the windows reboot screens for no reason
Thinkpad is the tank of laptops.
Just in case you don’t know, unless it changed last time I checked, some organizations like Comptia didn’t allow computers with dual boot to be used to pass a cert exam.
I assure you my (virtual) machine only has windows on it.
… You need Windows to use government websites? What kind of dystopian nightmare is this
Serbia for example have it’s gov suit and drivers only for windows. You can’t login using your personal identification card on linux, afaik (like, even if you extract encrypted key from plastic card). Can’t even scan it to obtain profile pdf. They do have “consentid” app for android tho, that can be used to log in.
Russia also falls in same category, also they don’t have plastic cards for identification, only regular passport. Digital key (basically a regular encrypted cert) can be issued thru government department responsible for taxes and again, will only work on windows for login, due to required software. It should be possible to install certificate on linux, but to login on government site you will need to use browser in wine.
Dunno about other countries, only lived in those two. I heard some African countries also have same/similar system, don’t remember which one.
Not knowing much about Serbian smartcards, but I had done quite a bit with smartcards in Linux before.
Have you seen this project? https://github.com/ubavic/bas-celik … looks to be cross-platform and do what you’re saying. Though you’d probably need pcscd, pcsc-tools, and possibly other similar packages, depending distro.
Wow, thank you. No, I was not aware of it, sounds like together with srb-id-pkcs11 it should do the trick, it will be wonderful to finally move my auth from windows vm.
Yes, smart card reader itself should work, the only problem is encryption of key on card and use of that key with website. That module mentioned above exactly the thing that required it seems.
Still, my point stands, cause project was created just two years ago and isn’t official in the first place. Unfortunately, government itself have no desire to support other platforms. :c
Ah if you want to use it on their website or in a browser you’ll probably also need a mini card driver like OpenSC.
And if you’re using firefox, you might have to go into settings to add a pkcs provider and tell it where
opensc-pkcs11.sois.There’s lots of generic info out there on smartcards in Linux if you were so inclined to “figure it out”…but I don’t blame them for not “supporting” Linux…that’s kind of a minefield.
Still, that’s the fun of Linux…realizing that “not supported” doesn’t mean it won’t work…just that they won’t help you.
Ha! Oh, if you think that’s dumb… There are certain key sections of the IRS website that only function during business hours. Imagine if more sites worked like that. “Dang, it’s after 5PM, gotta do my Amazon order tomorrow.
Honestly would be kind of great.
This is still the case for many South Korean shits, tho these days you can also use a (Googled) Android or iOS device with some shitty app.
yeah some government sites, regardless of what browser you’re using, think that you’re some “1337 Haxors” for using Linux Mint.
I use Qutebrowser on NixOS and sometimes it’s…yeah they don’t like that.
Can’t you trick it using a user agent switching? Been a long time since I’ve fucked with one so I forget it you can change OS on there.
wait till you find out companies that operated in South Korea had to support Internet Explorer until 2020
I have a machine in my garage that gets used for music and the random football game. Starting it up after being down even a few weeks starts the churn of updates. It’s annoying.
ahem Linux.
Thank you.
so much “user friendly”
On the one (windows) machine i actively use powershell i click the pinned start menu icon.
Windows has fucked my flow before by co opting my shortcuts. So this is the most reliable way.
On linux terminal is a shortcut, app launcher is a shortcut and searching apps to launch actually works and doesn’t open my browser that operates under a different privacy contract then your os settings.
I despised windows search long before i switched i just didn’t know any better.
On my one remaining Windows machine, I installed PowerToys and use the “Run” launcher. Alt+Space opens Run. If you lead with a
.you’ll search programs.Alt+Space, .term, for example, should immediately show Terminal and you can slap enter to open it. You can also do stuff like= 1 + 1or= 0b101 + 0xffor quick calculations,%for unit conversion (%% 10MB to Mb), etc. It’s not KRunner, dmenu, etc but it definitely beats the hell out of the start menu.PowerToys “Keyboard Manager” might let you reclaim some shortcuts as well. I used it to swap Caps Lock and Escape but I’m pretty sure it can be used to create custom shortcuts. There’s also some option to remap shortcuts on a program specific basis. So you can say
Alt+Tshould sendCtrl+Tbut only when Firefox has focus, for example. Haven’t messed with it myself but I can see the value.Still looking forward to ditching Windows entirely but, in the meantime, MS has some decent tools that aren’t included by default and don’t seem to be advertised because power users aren’t the target market and “they already know to look for it” I guess.
the windows key + r will open the Run command window, seems a lot easier then what you did for that but the other stuff PowerToys do is worth it
Win+R, wt, enter
Alt+Space, wt, enter (or .term and auto complete will fill in “Terminal”)
It’s pretty much identical in terms of keystrokes. I just always forget “wt” is the way to launch Windows Terminal from Run, and that it works with PowerToys Run as well. My main sell was that the latter is a decent quick launcher with some useful tools built in to keep you from ever bothering with the start menu. I’m sure if I played with the Keyboard Manager a bit more I could probably go for something like Super/Win+Shift+Enter and skip Run or PowerToys Run altogether. I just haven’t bothered for whatever reason.
Typing in powershell? How a about a bing search of Windows Power Settings? Not even the settings menu, just the fucking eeb search.
Types power
Windows search:
Not even a good film.
Not even a good Terminal film.
Yeah, my first thought: not even the Tom Hanks one.
At this point windows is just msys2 to me.
@Jankatarch @mod_pp but msys2 is not windows…
Without these ads how will they fund copilot for 12 more minutes genius?
Probably with all of our data they’re selling.
I always dug into RegEdit to disable this crap. And somehow, each time, it was a different series of steps.
Gpedit: registry keys come and go, group policy is forever
On first glace I thought I’d be looking at the UI of a streaming service. This is so awful
Ok. So you type the correct name of the program. Cause terminal ain’t it. CMD and it opens fine.
I’ve always opened it with “terminal”.
Terminal is a program, and it can do WSL, powershell and batch. It has tabs and other modern features.Pretty sure CMD only does batch
Not in windows. On mac and linux maybe but CMD has been CMD since 3.1.
This is the equivilent of typing “pic fixer” and expectung photoshop to appear.
I think they are referring to the app literally named “Windows Terminal”
https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9n0dx20hk701?hl=en-US&gl=US
Yeh, it’s come as standard on windows for a few years now, right?
I don’t ever remember installing it on any windows computers I’ve used and it’s always been there
It’s possible your Windows info is out of date. They’re referring to this app, which is installed on Windows 11 by default (though you can get it on Windows 10).
It’s actually a decent terminal emulator (by Windows standards) that’s pretty customizable. It can even become a terminal for a local Linux VM with WSL.
30 seconds ago I literally just typed in the CMD and hit enter and it opened up my command prompt.
I’ve had “cmd” default to “CmDust.exe” which is a program installed by Codemeter (a hardware dongle licence thing).
Considering I used to type “cmd” and get CmDust.exe, I was happy when Terminal became easier to launch. And Terminal is great to use, imoYou can use cmd. But in windows 11, terminal is the default shell. It is miles better than cmd and powers hell in that it can run tabbed versions of any shells you have installed. Pyshell, chocolaty, git bash, azure cloud, even anaconda. It is all available in one place and has a lot of quality of life improvements. It’s also not bloated at the same time if you can believe that.
Interesting thing is I’ve been running Windows 11 on the laptop that I purchased for business use for the past I don’t know 4 years or whatever it is that I’ve had it it was one of the early laptops at Costco sold with Windows 11 on it. I use it exclusively for business use in the it world. Mostly so I can turn remote control when I’m configuring system servers etc over to other technicians and I don’t have to worry about what’s on it because in the end I could just wipe the whole thing and not give a shit. But not one person not one technician not one tech desk I’ve worked with and a lot of access to my laptop over the past 4 years give or take has ever even bothered opening that program. Everybody pretty much just uses the command prompt to do all the things are going to do on it. And I suppose if I were actively and admin full time or something for that effect I would use it. But in that case the last time I ran and never Operation center or I was an administrator I ran Linux and just ran terminal over that.
I am an L3 for an MSP. I pretty much exclusively use terminal on windows 11. Tends to be the old guys I work with that use cmd still. It’s fine to have lots of experience doing things the way you’ve always done them. It’s also fine for there to be improvements in the systems we use.
You can literally see they have Terminal installed in the screenshot. It may not be default but it is certainly on that computer. But a web search is far more important than a program installed on the computer.
It is the default shell application in windows 11 these days. As of 23h2 I believe.
You should… check if your info is still up to date before arguing so assuredly. As others mentioned, terminal is the upgrade in Win11. It has much more modern functionality than cmd, and has replaced it and powershell for the right click start button CLI options. Which imo is easier than typing it in.
It also comes with openssh and winget (package manager) by default!
While I prefer my Linux terminal emulators, the Terminal app is one of the few remaining Windows apps I actually like. When I do have to use windows, the first thing I do is customize it. Once you get Chocolatey, WSL, and git installed, dare I say Windows begins to approach a pleasurable CLI experience.
There’s literally an app named Windows Terminal and you can see it right there in the screenshot.
Yeah. This is just another in the long long long list of examples or Linux users trying to manipulate things.
Terminal is different from cmd. It’s new in Win11 and has multiple command functionalities(cmd, powershell, powershell7, Azure Cloud shell, customizable profiles, etc), with multitab support. You were in such a rush to insult Linux users you didn’t even check if you were just wrong.
And I bet you it pulled the right Terminal as you typed “term” but as you finish it, it pulls this bullshit.
Is there a word for “a thoughtless action by someone else so incidentally awful that you can’t help but wonder if it’s intentional”?
I mean, I don’t think they’re intentionally engineering it to delay EXACTLY the amount of time it takes for me to begin the process of clicking. That would take thoughtfulness, strategy, research, etc…… right?
…right?
The Germans have a word for that, I think they call it Microsoft…
This happens on (mobile) websites all the time. It is infuriating.
To play devil’s advocate, only people unfamiliar with Windows would look for a terminal that way.
Why? I use the start menu reach for every app that’s not on my taskbar. How else would you do it?
This is how I do it. When I forget that I have it pinned on the taskbar or don’t want to use the mouse. I don’t need it enough on windows to remember the keyboard shortcut.
Terminal the movie seems really obscure
The Tom Hanks one was really good.
Win+R?
Win+X.
I disagree. Being able to slap the windows key and type the name of the program I’m looking for is one of my favorite features of both Gnome and KDE and I wish Windows worked similarly.
Both Gnome and KDE also include a web search. And just like on Linux, you can disable it in Windows Settings.
Both Gnome and KDE also include a web search.
Is it on be default? Because if so I’m glad I don’t use that garbage.
On KDE, it’s just one of the suggestions, I believe, that you could search this term on the web. If you trigger that suggestion, it then opens the web browser to do the search.
As such, searching “terminal” wouldn’t yield a suggestion from a web result that matches, but I’m pretty sure applications are prioritized above other results either way.
That’s good to hear. It continuously amazes me how often search bars in some pieces of software manage to be worse than ctrl-f in a plaintext document.
yes but your distro may have it disabled in their default.
plus windows is supposed to work just like that.
before windows 10 came around at least.
It does… (Or did I’ve not used 25H2). But given the app starts with a w you can see the issue.
It shows up as “Terminal” in the search results, so I imagine that’s what it matches against, even if it is colloquially referred to as “Windows Terminal”…
In gnome you can search for any word of a program name and it will appear in the search result
In KDE I type in “tor” and “factorio” appears above “tor browser”
And? Why shouldn’t I expect to be able to find essential OS tools and settings by using the OS search?
It shows it to you… Just not first option. The app is actually called Windows Terminal, which is why you get it by typing wt.
That’s part of the issue: in the picture is written “Terminal”, so I expect to find it if I search Terminal. I don’t care what is the real name under the hood, I’m searching something for the name you have given me.
You’re not wrong but there’s something very funny about a gaggle of Linux evangelists complaining about it not being obvious what aliases to type to open something
I understand them: I am an old Linux user, used to the command line. In there, once upon a time, a command has only on way to be called, and that way was the name under which the command was known and distributed. Aliases were a personal customization made by the user for his own amusement. I am still under the assumption that if a program is presented to you as X, then X is the command to type to run said program. But I understand this is now not as obvious, even in the Linux world.
One of the hard problems I still have today in Linux is if I’m having trouble with software and need to know what it is actually called, sometimes that is difficult. Like how am I supposed to know the installer is called calamares or the text editor is called leafpad when the OS calls them “installer” and “text editor”
Exactly, that is IMHO a not-so-sane default that some application launcher adopts. Thankfully you can switch to a more “normal” behavior, it’s a flag somewhere in the configuration menus for the application launcher, at least in KDE and in XFCE
Oh there’s absolutely no excuse for it not to open Terminal when you type
terminal. I can’t replicate it on my side but I’ve probably turned that “feature” off ages ago. I’m a little surprised at the downvotes, as I’m making fun of Windows. Linux used to have a reputation for its learning curve, especially knowing CLI commands. Daunting stuff for the average user. It’s better now, and beautifully enough it’s Microsoft’s fuckery with putting unwanted shit in their OS that’s teaching people more about the inner workings of the system they’re using, both pushing them towards gutting the OS, and towards other OSes. In the Lemmy demographic that’s usually Linux, around me it’s actually been Macs, and those are even more egregiously expensive where I live.Another way the esotericness tables have turned: the Windows configuration UIs have similar names, do adjacent functions, and aren’t listed anywhere in one place. You have to know what setting you want and where it’s found. There used to be one Control Panel, and a few advanced tools you could find in the Start menu. Microsoft wants to “modernize” some of these, so they’ve pulled parts of their settings piecemeal into their new Settings UI (which they call an app, I don’t like that). But you still have some settings that are still in the legacy Control Panel UI. You have a ton of settings that are still in standalone legacy settings UIs. Some of them look like Windows 10, some like Vista/7, and there’s a handful that look like Windows 95. You need to know that the display color calibration options in the Settings UI can be overridden by the vendor’s control software (that’s a whole rant), and that what you actually want is a standalone settings window called Color Management. You need to know what operations can be done in Disk Management, Disk Cleanup, Optimize Drives, you need to know that they exist, and you then need to know if the command you want is actually only achievable in
diskpart. I have nothing againstdiskpartbut I can’t tell you which among Terminal, PowerShell, or Windows PowerShell (or any of the x86 variations plural of each of them) is the right place to use it. I can intuitively tell it’s not Windows PowerShell ISE or Azure Cloud Shell though. Yay for computer literacy. I type cmd into the Start menu and it works from there, so I’m content with that. I can’t say Raspberry Pi OS has this many configuration locations but once you know the two or three places to look you’re done.I know that I will have to move to Linux eventually. I’ve only complained about things in Windows that aren’t designed to abuse the users directly, which is a drop in the bucket, ethically at least, when you look at the responsibilities of the world’s most (or second most) influential company regarding personal computing. But I look at all this and feel like it’s accelerating the scary trend of younger people getting worse with computers. I was able to follow instructions correctly in a novel computer environment to set up a mini homelab with a bunch of Linux servers talking to each other. People my own age and slightly younger at work seem to know fuck all about the computers we use and that terrifies me. We were supposed to get better over time, not worse! There’s a new, younger IT guy, he’s not much younger than me, and half of what I’m procedurally required to ask his help on is something he doesn’t understand at all.
Home server mountain hermit life is no longer over the horizon for me, that’s all I can say really.
