And still miles better than the GOP, your point?
Which is their entire platform, which is why the whole thing keeps going further right.
Except the Democratic party doesn’t just block leftward movement. It turns the crank in the same direction, just slower.
Dems as a whole are more left wing today than they were 20 years ago, but cool graphic
This is about the party, not the party’s constituency.
Yeah, that’s what im talking about
That’s your standard?
Sure, Jan.
Always remember that left and right are difficult terms: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left–right_political_spectrum
In Germany Harris would have been conservative CDU (the most conservative/right party before the AfD turned up) and Trump would have been in the AfD. However, CDU is still fine. Nothing bad about being conservative. I disagree with most of their opinions but they are valid political opinions. AfD and Trump share political opinions that are undemocratic, dangerous and stupid.
“I am angry the overton window has moved so far to the right, I’m going to blame the folks trying to move it leftward”
What hasn’t happened is an IRL movement around a new party or leader. What has happened is lots of “divide the left” memes and posts. I do wonder who that sentiment serves the most.
Moving it leftward is when you support two separate groups of genocidal fascists in Israel and Ukraine and whine at leftists for not tactically supporting the fascists enough
Divide the left
You are not on the left. But I do keep seeing a bunch of “How do you do, fellow leftists? We sure do love voting for the 𝓵𝓮𝓼𝓼𝓮𝓻 𝓮𝓿𝓲𝓵, amirite? By the way fuck communists” memes and posts. I wonder who that sentiment serves the most?
Left wing starts are anti-capitalism and anti-imperialism. The democrats are complicit in genocide and take money from AIPAC and only care about pleasing their business owners. Also the DNC is a private corporation
The Democratic National Committee is many things but democratic
https://www.drmikekatz.com/the_dnc_and_rnc_are_private_corporations
https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/WildingDNC.pdf
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Always remember that while The Democratic Party is far from perfect, this is Russian propaganda. The party and the rules it has to play by are changed by voting locally, early, and often. Spreading the voter apathy message that both parties are the same and our votes are inconsequential just gives more power to the oppressors.
I don’t see the link with the wikipedia article of that book with a neoliberal US party been right wing.
Their point, I think, is that we’re secret chaos agents sent by Putler to sap and impurify their precious bodily fluids.
4 substantive replies and 13 hours later, your only response is “sigh people disagree with me look how put out I am”?
Does your side have literally anything to say for itself?
Substantive? That’s a bit of a stretch. One reply that cites any sources and not a single one would get past a community college level RA.
It is laughable to me that you think we’re on different sides. There are two sides, manipulators and manipulatees, and none of us here are the manipulators, though you may have created an echo chamber to increase the volume of certain manipulations.
‘Sides’ aside, do I have anything to say for myself? Of course. Would the time spent add any value to my life or fulfil any purpose? Maybe, but the ROI is too slim. You can’t reason a person out of an opinion they didn’t reason themselves into. It’s the same reason I don’t waste time arguing with MAGA these days. Even on the off chance you’re talking to a real person, presenting them with any kind of evidence is just going to make them double down on their opinion. That’s just human psychology, The Backfire Effect in action. I made the mistake of not checking where I was before commenting at all. Coming back here to reply to you was probably a mistake in and of itself, but this whole ‘sides’ thing just irks me. I hope you don’t really feel that way. If we both want to move the country to the left, then disagreements like this only serve to benefit those who want to move the country further to the right. There’s this book that outlines exactly how to create these ideological disagreements that drive wedges into opposition to the right, and who it benefits, but for some reason y’all have completely discounted it even though everything written in it has come to pass since. If y’all want to outright reject reality then more power to you, but I don’t have to involve myself.
I want you to stay this way. Keep being an ignorant little goober. Nobody needs you and you’re not important. You understanding basic political theory is not integral to anything. Please keep on trucking.
Pretty much see you as the exact equivalent of a right wing chemtrail person in terms of incoherence and facile beliefs.
Your brain has been severely damaged by Rachael Maddow.
If y’all want to outright reject reality
Fucking crank
Pointing out that the Democratic party and their supporters insisted we have to do a genocide is Russian propaganda sweaty
A capitalist party being right-wing is basic left/right understanding. Dugin has nothing to do with this.
Why are you linking to a crypto-fascist’s book? Because you bought the narrative that he’s “Putin’s brain”? 🙄
Always remember that Russiagate was bullshit.
- IT Pro: Cambridge Analytica models were exaggerated and ineffective, [UK Information Commissioner’s Office] claims
- Wall Street Journal: Mueller Doesn’t Find Trump Campaign Conspired With Russia
- Jacobin: Democrats and Mainstream Media Were the Real Kremlin Assets
- Washington Post: FEC fines DNC, Clinton for violating rules in funding Steele dossier
- Washington Post: Russian trolls on Twitter had little influence on 2016 voters
- Jacobin: It Turns Out Hillary Clinton, Not Russian Bots, Lost the 2016 Election
- Matt Taibbi: Move Over, Jayson Blair: Meet Hamilton 68, the New King of Media Fraud The Twitter Files reveal that one of the most common news sources of the Trump era was a scam, making ordinary American political conversations look like Russian spywork
- Jacobin: Why the Twitter Files Are in Fact a Big Deal On the Left, there’s been a temptation to dismiss the revelations about Twitter’s internal censorship system that have emerged from the so-called Twitter Files project. But that would be a mistake: the news is important and the details are alarming.
- MSNBC Repeats Hamilton 68 Lies 279 Times in 11 Minutes
- Matt Taibbi: CIA “Cooked The Intelligence” To Hide That Russia Favored Clinton, Not Trump In 2016
- Aaron Maté: Under Trump, the CIA is still covering up its Russiagate fraud
- Matt Taibbi: Note on New Trump-Russia Disclosures Thanks to explosive new document releases, the Russiagate hoax is now exposed, commencing a new era that will be about accountability for the guilty
- Matt Taibbi: No Doubt Left: Russiagate Was a Cover-Up
- Chris Hedges: Why Russiagate Won’t Go Away The cynical con the Democratic Party and the F.B.I. carried out to falsely portray Donald Trump as a puppet of the Kremlin worked, and continues to work, because it is what those who detest Trump want to believe.
Never forget that the right-left spectrum is a myth
Kinda? The spectrum aspect is a bit iffy and I don’t use it, but there are absolutely socialists on the left and capitalists on the right, and that’s useful for understanding. Trying to argue over which is more or less left or right doesn’t usually matter as much as the left/right distinction outright.
I agree, but I also wonder if the Democratic party can be converted from the inside to change it’s focus.
Probably not. I just winder what the best way forward is. It’s not really clear.
It can’t be reformed. It needs to be burn down and new party started.
The two party system exists to prevent this.
Sure, but there is no other option. We must build up a working class party, if running them electorally doesn’t work, then it will still work when conditions falter and revolution happens.
The DNC is designed against entryism, and drives its power not from popular support, but wealthy private donors. What’s important is directly organizing on the ground to form a large, working class party, like PSL. Reading theory and organizing are the best things you can do. If you want somewhere to start with theory, I made an introductory Marxist-Leninist reading list you can check out.
Wow, that’s quite a lot of content to go through. Thanks!
No worries! Honestly it’s designed to turn anyone from not knowing anything at all about Marxism into a capable cadre that can figure out where to go next (like Capital, Anti-Dühring, etc), but just reading section 0a is great if you just want to dip your toes in.
📺 Why the Democratic Party CANNOT and WILL NOT be Reformed
Democrats would rather lose to a Republican, to a conservative, to a fascist, to Trump, than address the material conditions of the American people.
I mean a conservative project to do exactly this is what transformed the Cheney era neocons into the modern day fascist party we see. So at least in principle that’s possible. but clearly the neocons were more than happy to go along with fascism. Fascism and conservativism have effectively the same goals.
The neoliberals who faced the same kind of insurrection from within their party at the same time were unwilling to adopt progressivism and are still unwilling to adopt progressivism. The right was able to change their party into a fascist one, the left has failed to move the demo party into being a progressive party
people have been trying that for 60+ years its a no go, the party is fundamentally anti-working-class
60 years ago, Democrats were creating Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, and the Job Corps, passing civil rights, voting rights, and labor protection acts, and massively expanding investment in public housing and education. It’s only in the past 45 years things have really gone sideways
The DNC has always been a capitalist and imperialist party, passing social welfare programs doesn’t counter that basic fact, and as such doesn’t counter that leftists have been trying to change them into a leftist party for far longer.
Nothing new, in a profoundly capitalist structure like the US, there are no other options than to choose between conservatism and fascism, substituting reason for “in God we trust” and “Stars and Stripes”, to keep citizens ignorant and obedient to continue functioning.
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Election time already?
Leftists are always anti-DNC and focus on organizing over electoralism, so I don’t see why you think this is related to any election coming up.
This is how we ended up with Trump again btw.
Turns out supporting genocide makes you look bad. Someone should’ve told Biden and Copmallah.
It’s almost as if your party duopoly consists of two fascist parties.
Funny, I remember us ending up with Trump because the Democrat party views its own voters with abject contempt and forced an 80yo genocidal madman on the electorate twice without a legitimate primary where Barrack Obama doesn’t order anybody to drop out… but sure, it’s the voters’ fault for not liking that the DNC won’t even deign to pander to its own voters. This is a smart take that is in no way a sign of Stockholm syndrome identifying with your abuser…
Their strategy is to give into Trump’s demands in the hopes that it prevents him from destroying their precious institutions. They hope to be able to take over from an unpopular Republican party after Trump dies without really undoing the damage he’s done. The problem with this approach is that it will prevent the system from needing to be properly rebuilt, effectively legalizing most of his abuses of power and prolonging the instability of our country. A big part of this will be institutionalizing the blatant corruption and oligarchy while further rigging elections to make it impossible for popular movements to ever legally gain power.
A Gavin Newsom or Pete Buttigieg presidency will see them ruling as a weaker feudal king than Trump, but only to promote business activity and interests. Relying on the honeymoon period following Trump’s removal, they will position themselves as the saviors of “democracy,” yet they will do little to actually undo a lot of the election rigging that Republicans are installing right now. They will suppress workers rights and throw the most disposable minorities under the bus, deregulating and burning through all the goodwill they have. They’ll parade the corpse of liberalism around as long as fools will believe it, but it will be a cynical gesture.
In order for actual liberal democracy to exist again in this country, the liberals would need to have shown a backbone and resist Trump no matter how much he destroys institutions. They would need to risk temporary jail time and potential assassination to invigorate long term support for a rebuilt American dream. Instead they’re showing that they never cared about liberal ideals, only the goodwill liberalism afforded their power.
Yeh. The strategy seems to be to wait for their “turn” and make it look like the care while they watch everything they claim to stand for be destroyed.
The wing doesn’t matter if the eagle is a nazi tbf.
All I want is the freedom to vote how I want and still count my vote if my first choice didn’t win. Democrats should be free to run their political party how they want. Just like how everyone else should be free to participate in our elections. Free of a spoiler effect.
There should be no monopoly on the future of our nation. Republican, or Democrat.
Surely the freedom to vote how people want is not to high a bar for the democrats to clear right? Self proclaimed democracy advocates surely want the people to be represented fully… right?
I would never force a liberal to vote for my preference in a election, why is it okay for them to do that to me?
And it is a conscious decision to force me to vote a certain way. Every election democrats mercilessly rage at 3rd party voters. The Democratic party and their voters understand that First-past-the-post voting is flawed. Yet in blue states, fully in control of the Democratic party, FPTP voting shackles the people.
Democrats understand FPTP voting does a bad job of representing the nation. They ignore this festering gaping mortal wound… all for safe states and easy elections against a complete clown show. One that has defeated them in every way possible.
The monopoly is over democrats. You never deserved it, and you most certainly do not deserve it now in our darkest hours. Get out of the way, we have to move forward as a nation.
The Democratic party is not more important then the United States of America.
Electoral Reform Videos
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems
The system can’t be reformed to favor the working class because it was created by & for the owner class, the “donor” class. If necessary they will unleash fascism to maintain control.
The Democratic party is not more important then the United States of America.
They both have to go. There’s never going to be a socialist USA. That can only happen after a revolution leading to an different state with a different name.
I think actually a party guilty of genocide should not be free to run in elections, or even free to remain outside of prison
I don’t think chsnging the voting system will fix this. There is still a 2 party system in australia despite a democracy with preferential voting for over 100 years.
Bingo. Class dynamics take priority over voting mechanisms.
