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    7 days ago

    So the only way to keep and maintain a progressive government is to teleport from where we are now to the desired outcome? Is that the argument of the video?

    If so, that seems not currently feasible.

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        6 days ago

        Sounds like you aren’t clear on what that video is suggesting either. Why should I spend time to watch a video that no one seems to have understood?

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          6 days ago

          I’m quite clear: electoral politics is merely a distraction for left/progressive forces. Rather, you should organize with your fellow exploited siblings and built opposing power structures from the bottom up.

          He demands the opposite than wishful thinking, or “teleporting”.

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            Is there a succinct way of articulating why we can’t do both? (e.g. vote for the lesser evil while also doing all the mutual aid and whatnot that we can?) Does it boil down to the argument that voting makes people less likely to build said alternative power structures?

            I’ll watch the video when I have time, but communicating an actionable strategy I think is essential to folks in crisis.

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              Is there a succinct way of articulating why we can’t do both?

              You can, if you want to. Just don’t waste your time on electoral politics.

              but communicating an actionable strategy I think is essential to folks in crisis.

              Yes. Organizing is an actionable strategy.

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            6 days ago

            Ok, so why not vote for the lesser evil then? It would increase the amount of time we have to organize without fascists cracking down on us.

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              6 days ago

              I’m not arguing against voting. I’m claiming that it’s not a valid strategy. You can partake, if you really want to.

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                Ok, this could just be me getting lost in the comment chain. To be clear you don’t think voting for the lesser evil is harmful, but you also don’t think it is a valid strategy. If that is true, I see no inconstancies in your arguments.

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                  6 days ago

                  Pretty much. Since electoralism is inconsequential for progressive change: vote if you want.

                  Advocating voting for a lesser evil could be considered harmful, though.

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                6 days ago

                Yes! Why not vote for the lesser evil to prevent harsher crackdowns than you would otherwise get?

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                    At the end, yes, both outcomes are the same unless organization is successful. Why make organizing any harder than it needs to be?