• viking@infosec.pub
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      14 days ago

      Wait a second, iOS is chock full of garbage that you can’t uninstall whatsoever. At least on Android you have a chance to get rid of everything.

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        14 days ago

        With the exception of Safari, you can uninstall every application using the standard process.

        Can you do that for Android carrier crapware that’s preinstalled? Just tap on it and choose uninstall?

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          14 days ago

          I never buy phones from carriers, always directly from manufacturers, so no idea. Manufacturer bloat can be deleted pretty straightforward.

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            14 days ago

            You do understand that you’re not in the majority?

            The root problem is that Android lets carriers “enhance” their devices with crapware and also make it hard or impossible to install without technical know-how

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              I don’t know anybody buying those crappy carrier deals, to be honest. They had a place and time in the early 2000s, but beyond that they seemed to die out mostly. Maybe still a thing in the US, no idea.

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      14 days ago

      iOS doesn’t come with any preinstalled Apple bloatware either. Oh, wait.

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        14 days ago

        It’s hardly intrusive, no pop ups or “hey I’m here” notifications. You can uninstall most of them in seconds without special tools.

        Android crapware is much more deeper, it’s not stuff your grandma can uninstall.

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          It’s hardly intrusive, no pop ups or “hey I’m here” notifications. You can uninstall most of them in seconds without special tools.

          If that’s your definition of bloatware then this point:

          Android crapware is much more deeper, it’s not stuff your grandma can uninstall.

          Is pretty silly as Android has less apps built into the OS, and I can actually go into settings and disable them very easily. Specific phone carriers might add bullshit on top of that, but that’s not Android doing that

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            Android is giving the carriers the option to do that. They don’t need to give the tools for crapware installation

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              14 days ago

              Implying that we should not give anyone any freedom just because it can be abused, Developers can make better and more privacy respecting OS than vanilla android and we should just flush all that drown the drain and instead shove everything vanilla into everyone’s ass. GREAAAT!

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          14 days ago

          Can you uninstall Apple TV, Apple Music, Books, FaceTime, Fitness/Health, Podcasts, and News?

          Can you disable Safari or the App Store?

          Can you install non–Apple-sanctioned apps?

          Which isn’t to say Android’s situation is great for various manufacturers, just weird to not include iOS.

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            Yes for all of the first group.

            No for Safari.

            My need to install “unsanctioned” apps on my phone is on par with my need to install random apps on my PS5. Zero. YMMV.

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          14 days ago

          Android crapware is much more deeper, it’s not stuff your grandma can uninstall.

          installs custom rom

          not every person can-

          Their problem.