• theonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.works
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    17 days ago

    Just a reminder, if you think what happened on DDD Day was murder and not self defense, you don’t have a problem with violence, you just hate when poor people do it.

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          17 days ago

          Oh god. I was reading through the page and this gem was down in the section on the response from healthcare companies:

          Another executive was quoted saying “What’s most disturbing is the ability of people to hide behind their keyboards and lose their humanity.”

          Says the people who hide behind keyboards, phone calls, employees, doctors, guards, police as they hurt people they don’t know. Talk about losing your humanity.

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            17 days ago

            I will not hesitate to leave my keyboard and go fight the revolution to help seaze control of the means of production

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            17 days ago

            Your quote is included in this Financial Times piece (archived version) but it’s immediately followed by my favorite.

            One former Cigna executive recalled how the US health insurer used to frequently face threats when claims were denied. “We’d have times when you’d deny proton laser therapy for a kid with seizures and the parent would freak out,” said the former executive.

            How dare those parents “freak out” just because you are refusing to cover their child’s cancer treatment? These fuckers are completely out of touch. They honestly think they have the moral high-ground letting kids die in order to increase shareholder value. I now really understand why the guillotine was invented.

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              The private health industry needs to die, and all executives with it. I can’t tell if those words are worse than straight up hate speech with the nonchalant way it is worded. He doesnt even consider the lives of those children as real at all. That denying those claims is denying life. This is the prevailing attitude at huge conglomerates and I’ve had my fill. They deserve what they dish out, death.

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              17 days ago

              That has to be one of the most depraved and appalling things I’ve ever read. I just got a piece of mail from cigna telling me to sign up for their supplemental insurance before sonething terrible happens to me.

              I think I’ll use it to curse their CEO and lackeys instead. I don’t know if that shit works, but it might offer some catharsis after finding out they deny epileptic children with cancer treatment and are baffled when parents “freak out.” Seriously, those inhuman husks can eat shit and choke.

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                16 days ago

                Cigna has a new policy, starting 2025, that you can only get your medications covered at either CVS or Walgreens. Not both. So now I have to move two prescriptions to CVS which is way farther away and I prefer Walgreens. This Walgreens is always out of stock on two of my prescriptions, so they forced my hand.

                They didn’t even send a letter, just an email about it. A bunch of people are going to get a very expensive surprise.

                I know it’s not on the level of murder, I’m just kinda surprised they went through with it after what happened.

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              16 days ago

              I was reading a Facebook post about how UHC denied a kid their anti-rejection meds for a liver transplant because there was a cheaper one the kid had already had a bad reaction to, and they thought he should give that one a try again first… 🤦

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            17 days ago

            they’ve become like politicians or lawyers or police or soldiers who don’t care about the damage they’ve inflicted on millions of people’s lives and believe that what they’re doing is justified because it’s for some “greater good” and never mind that the people they’re harming were never part of that greater good.

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      16 days ago

      I can hold two ideas at the same time here, where I understand why it happened as a consequence of rampant evil on behalf of the ownership class, and it’s a natural comeuppance after pushing the wrong person too far. (I think we’re all shocked it took this long to happen.)

      But also, unfortunately as much as we love a good revenge story, planting 3 slugs into another human being, even a nasty one, in cold blood, is not self-defense. The goal of self defense is the reduction of an attacker’s ability to cause direct and imminent harm to the defender.

      This was assault, and it was murder, and we can reason about the justification behind it, but I sadly don’t really know what it will change, besides the bourgeois getting allocated even more of our money to have protection detail and hold their board meetings in walled enclaves or yahts away from the populace.

      Violence begets violence. Blood begets blood, and those who live by the sword will die by it also. I think any sane rational person can agree this guy reaped what he and his ilk sowed every day, but still be against slaying human beings on the streets to make a point.

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        16 days ago

        Self defense is also applied when defending others. It’s nice to think someday we might be above violent reaction to violent action. But until there’s an alternative, we’re not, and we shouldn’t be.

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          16 days ago

          Do you think UHC is going to change its policies in any major way because of this? If it was self-defense, it was not very good self-defense. Like any other employee in a giant corporation, the CEO is easily replaced with someone else who will do the exact same job. Possibly an even better (from the company’s perspective) job.

          This does nothing to help all of the people who are being destroyed by the for-profit insurance industry.

          I would say revenge makes more sense.

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            16 days ago

            If they’re smart, they will. If they’re not smart they will need to hope they can afford to give their security team better health insurance than they themselves offer, otherwise we will see repeats of the reason you’re personally allowed to be outside of your company owned work house.

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              16 days ago

              I have no idea why you think any corporate employee isn’t kleenex, but they are.

              A CEO can’t decide to put people above profits because they will be replaced if they do.

              CEOs are not emperors. The problem isn’t individual CEOs, the problem is capitalism.

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                16 days ago

                Idk how you can take such a strong stance against police for being police but not CEOs. If a cop stops doing their job, they too will be replaced with someone who will.

                Please stop defending executives causing harm.

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                  15 days ago

                  Please explain how calling CEOs replaceable kleenex and hating capitalism is a defense of CEOs.

                  Am I not hating capitalism the right way?

                  (Gotta love getting downvoted on .ml in the last comment for calling capitalism the problem, BTW. Guess you all became conservatives.)