China is indeed authoritarian, rich people cannot shape society however they want in China.
It’s insane that people would even dare to compare the two. China literally doesn’t even have a legal system that pretends to be functioning and a Chinese person can’t even type LGTBQ on the internet. Isn’t that insane?
US is like 5/10 while China is literally breaking the scale.
Responding to a federated comment because I don’t have a .ml account:
Okay, but we are talking about a country where you aren’t allowed to form a political party that opposes the CCP, right?
There are eight other parties in the People’s Republic of China other than the *CPC
My favorite is the ICP
That is a camper van. Probably cozy tbh
both are. have fun fighting eachother in the mud.
All states are authoritarian, in that they are instruments by which one class oppresses the others. What this doesn’t say anything about alone, though, is which class is in power. In the US Empire, the capitalists are in power, and use the authority of the state to crush workers when workers rise up. In the PRC, the working class is in power, and the state keeps capitalists in check and appropriates their capital gradually.
The only way out of authoritarian control by any class is to get rid of classes entirely, which requires full collectivization of production. China is actively building towards that, the US Empire is opposing it. Until we get to a classless society, it’s better for the working class to be in charge.
“the working class” meaning the (one) party tho, lol.
Yes. Democracy isn’t about choosing between parties, but having substantive input on direction that results in the will of the people being carried out. This is true of China, policy is typically driven from the bottom-up, a process called “whole process people’s democracy.” This is expressed, as an example, through Five Year Plans that are the result of mass polling and suggestions among the populace. The CPC has over 100 million members in a country of 1.4 billion.
The state isn’t a class in and of itself, it can only serve as representative of a class. In the PRC, that class is the working class. The communists beat the nationalists in the Chinese Civil War, and from that point on the working class has been in control.
Yes, true
Thank God that in China you can’t simply be “disappeared”, you won’t be sent to reeducation camps, and you won’t be slaughtered.
Right?
Just more western propaganda to push the china bad narrative
Yea yea yea, just keep parroting those liberal talking points ROFL
How much have you travelled, lived and worked in China? How far outside the tier 1 cities have you gotten?
If you think every criticism of China is just liberal talking points, I assume the answers to those questions are all “not very much”.
Good thing you ate the capitalists’ propaganda onion and are now doing their work for free, contributing to your continued exploitation.
And you don’t think this happens in China?
I have no reason to believe people are being disappeared, no, but I do have reason to believe that the US and its junior partners will continue claiming that they are. It’s big business.
Correct, you won’t.
At least you have right to remain silent.
What the fuck does this even mean lmao y’all scraping the bottom of the barrel so hard it’s now a tube
They’re just throwing phrases out like right-wing think-tanks, and seeing what sticks.
Rhetorical Zerg rush
Damn, it was a joke!
Ah, another Chinese and Russian propaganda post by a new user on Lemmy.ml. I’m starting to note a pattern here. If they can’t get it together over there, maybe we should hold a vote to defederate from them. We don’t need Lemmy as a whole becoming meta, a playground For shell accounts and agitators.
Not to mention, it’s always the dumbest finger-pointing arguments that make them sound like children. Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if China was using children to write these posts.
We are not all like this. I find memes like these stupid too.
Does the liberal mindset have no bottom to the ChInA BaD narratives it can spin?
Will Winnie the Pooh ever stop providing evidence that it’s a shitty place to live?
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Using a yellow bear to refer to a Chinese man is pretty clearly a racist dogwhistle.
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China is a great place to live, that is constantly improving and developing. The evidence backs this.
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China isn’t imperialist, it doesn’t run an economy focused on international extraction like the west does.
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Winnie the Pooh was never banned in China, be less gullible
Winnie the Pooh was never banned in China
It absolutely was banned in China. Be less contrarian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Winnie-the-Pooh_in_China
Lol you are like a little baby
Oh my, you have a NATOpedia article? Clearly that’s beyond reproach.
I guess Epstein killed himself and Nordstream just did that on its own.
Yeah every one I’ve come across in the last few days have sounded like children. Or maybe they didn’t train hard enough on their language skills at troll camp
Pure projection
Oh no! What ever will we do without the libs!
Imagine shilling for the modern Chinese and Russian states like they’re anything like the dreams of Marx Lmao. Ah yes, dictatorial oligarchic state ala Russia and a mass survailed and thought crime regulating state ala China , what a worker’s paradise.
Here’s a question for your PRC handlers, if your ideas are so good, why do you feel the need to limit your citizen’s access to information? Why did they feel the need to treat Hong Kong in such a way?
Because they have the same mentality as the uber religious, they think their beliefs are the one truth, but yet they’re terrified they can’t stand up to new information.
Don’t get me wrong, America sucks for workers, but I have waaaay more civil liberties than these places, for now
You are correct, this is all imaginary
Please report comments like this in the future ppl.
Imagine shilling for the modern American and European states like they’re anything anything like the ideals of socialism. Lmao. Ah yes, a neo-liberal oligarchic state ala America and a mass-surveilled and thought-crime regulating state ala the EU, what a worker’s paradise.
Here’s a question for your NATO handlers, if your ideas are so good, why do you feel the need to limit your citizen’s access to affordable healthcare? Why did they feel the need to treat the working class in such a way?
Because they have the same mentality as the uber religious, they think their beliefs are the one truth, but yet they’re terrified they can’t stand up to new information.
Don’t get me wrong, China might have its small issues, but at least they prioritize collective welfare over individual greed.
your NATO handlers
You’ve definitely absorbed some propaganda. It’s anyone’s guess whether it came from Russia or China though. There is literally no reason to have a problem with NATO.
NATO is a millitary alliance of the world’s imperialist powers. Just like the cops are the thugs protecting capital, NATO are the fascists protecting imperialism. NATO destroyed Libya and Yugoslavia, and has launched terrorist attacks.
Small issues . Lmao ok. Tell me what the the villages are like in rural China. Have the collective welfare trickled down to them yet?
And open access to information via the internet and open speech are one of the main pillars of a successful society, and neither states have that. Who cares if you’re my comrade of I can’t speak against you if need be or have the ability to refute your information with research.
China has one of the fastest growing numbers of millionaires in the world yet its farmers and factory workers are still poor as shit, how’s that collectivism? It’s just state capitalism
This is a tier 4 city in China. Which is far down the development ladder and considered poor.
The vast majority of Chinese live in cities like this or better. Saying that there are still poor villages, well I give you this
Kensington Philadelphia is so drug infested people walk around like zombies. Does China have poor areas like that? Actually no, even the poorest villages aren’t that bad.
The gap between rural and urban development has long been acknowledged and is already something worked on. The famous poverty eraducation campaign was focused on just that. Read The Metamorphosis of Yuangudui to see what that looks like in practice.
Secondly, the speech of capitalists and western media is restricted, but citizens speak to each other freely. The purpose of the control on western and capitalist propaganda is to develop independence and not let the west set the narrative.
Lastly, purchasing Power in 2022 was 25 times higher than 1978. This process is continuous. Further, the large firms and key industries are publicly owned, it’s a socialist country. You need to turn off Fox News and actually look at what’s happening in China right now.
citizens speak to each other freely
Can citizens investigate their government and publish and distribute criticisms of their government?
Depends, are they capitalists trying to undermine the system, or are they genuinely in support of socialism? If the former, no, if the latter, probably, though again if your other comments are anything to go by you just want liberalism to take over China.
Just changing the Countries names doesn’t make it true… There is no mass surveillance in Europe. There is in China.
Extremely incorrect, in any easily verifiable way for which a reasonable person would be deeply embarrassed
There’s absolutely mass surveilance in Europe, lmao.
Sure buddy, if you say so
Yes, I do, lol.
There is britain, the most surveilled country on earth… its in europe…
maybe we should hold a vote to defederate from them
They’re right, cry about it
100% Agree. They all seem to be excusing chinese authoritarianism
Bedtimes are authoritarian
No bedtime, no spinach 😤
China? The US is currently more compeeting with North Corea respect freedom and human rights.
and who supports north korea?
Why believe 1953 America about Korea?
Why believe 1965 America about Vietnam?
Why believe 1975 America about the USSR?
Why believe 1991 America about Iraq?
Why believe 2001 America about Iraq (again)?
Why believe 2003 America about Afghanistan?
Why believe 2014 America about Syria?
Why believe 2023 America about Palestine?
Why believe 2025 America about Korea?
The fuck is up with the Chinese propaganda on this website…
There are a lot of communists on Lemmy, and communists tend to support socialist countries. Simple as that. Plus, in the current era where the US Empire is dying, China is presenting itself as a better trade partner for the global south, one focused more on multilateralism and not on imperialism.
Why are they trying to brute-force propaganda? At least be subtle, and bribe us next time.
To the liberal brain pickled from a lifetime of soaking in American propaganda, the stating of simple and demonstrable fact in an online discussion = “brute forcing propaganda.”
Also I hate to do a redditism, but fucking hell does that username check out.
lol would you prefer for us to lie and say all the countries of the world are horrible, cynicism is the only consistent ideology, and we’re all doomed so nothing matters?
System of a Down - The Prison Song
What does a totalitarian state even mean? Based on liberals, left communists, and anarchists, it’s every socialist experiment that had lasted a great amount of time and accomplished better living standards for their citizens. 😂
Both are garbage. The US is just a bigger pile of garbage (for now).
Hi, CIA
recently found out this is a shunned view on a lot of lemmy
Totally both are garbage. But from anti-colonial and anti-authoritarian perspective, US has always been garbage. Trump only removed the pretensions. I mean, Joe Biden affirmed that US will invade Holland if any Americans are arrested by the International Court there. So much for a country that purports rules based international order, if that most supreme power the world has ever seen confirmed that such rules and order don’t apply to them.
Why does he wear military clothing? Can the ICE agents not also just wear civilian clothes?
Being in uniform plus body armor and padding adds more to intimidation.
yeah that increases the propaganda effect of this meme.
Yeah America is pretty rapidly speedrunning towards all the shitty parts of China right now.
What are we, a bunch of ASIANS?!
I’m not from the USA.
in only one of those countries do jackbooted thugs roam the streets disappearing undesirables and it isn’t China
