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Dear all, please remember that engaging with trolls can get you banned (rule of thumb, half the time the offender gets for themselves)
Write what you want others to read, I don’t care if there are disagreements. But go get a private chat room if you want to exchange insults with them :)
Ok, that was always allowed!
Okay then, that was always allowed
Yeah this is called blowback, like with the chip sanctions, like with industrial and natural resource sanctions. Trying to besiege economies that industrially dwarf the US will make R&D spending skyrocket in the targeted states, and the remaining irreplacable western monopolies will suffer for it, US NGO+academic+corporate domination of the open source scene is something that every gadget using or programming person should hope goes away.
Pick GDP, manufacturing output or whatever metric and look it up: Russia is not even close to the US. China is the one playing in the same league as the Americans.
As for open source being dominated by the US, the stats for Linux development don’t give that portrait at all.
Wow sounds like great news for Russia and a huge win for them then, I’m sure their internet trolls are supporting this decision instead of crying about it all over the internet, right??
My god what an embarrassing take
And yet you can’t summon even the slightest opposition to the take, only whine about how you don’t think it should exist.
Your take needs evidence to prove that Russia indeed has the low-end chip market captured.
I dunno about all that… but I guess it’s a positive that you’re at least acknowledging that this is about sanctions and not racism or some other stupid bullshit.
Lemmy.ml radiation is leaking again
If you want an echo chamber that repeats Wikipedia and Google News slop back to you, Reddit is down the hall and to the right.
Nah thinking that Russia gonna somehow grow using inexistent money for R&D and compete with US(?) Is pretty moronic also calling them forking the kernel as “blowback” it was clear for everyone that they would do that, except Lemmy.ml I guess, so yes I like my echo chamber of less delusional people
It’s ‘nonexistent’, and if you think that software development is fundamentally out of reach for financial reasons you have no idea how either their finances or open source development operates. Besides, shouldn’t you be talking about how they will need to rely on the Perfidious Chinese? No you just can’t even imagine poorer countries having hardware or developers.
You really show your inferiority complex by relying on jingoism, not just nationally, but to the point of trying to turn ActivityPub homeservers into an upvote gang turf war. Just discuss what is happening and try not to get too worked up over taking in explanations.
If you’ve ignored how many industries the US has fallen out of competition with internationally, then I could see being surprised by this. Semiconductors are a lot more challenging than software R&D and both China and Russia have rapidly overtaken the US market for low end chips, they will now own the market for chips for appliances and military hardware until the US system stops being a financial racket (not soon LOL). India has no problem getting into packaging and testing of chips and software development, they haven’t scratched the surface of nuclear or semiconductors like China and Russia. You just don’t pay much attention.
God, did I started a discussing with ChineseGPT 💀
See, you can’t refute anything I’m saying. It’s pure jingoism all the way down. Everyone you disagree with is a foreign enemy and a robot.
So is lemmy.ml, plenty of echoing going on there
“Waaaah this website has opinions I don’t like”
You can’t contradict anything I am saying.
I don’t need to deny anything you are saying, I just get to stop interacting with an obvious troll from an instance that spawns people like you.
People think your “Russia has the low-end chip manufacturing market cornered” argument is not backed by evidence.
They took my third party apps. I’m here now.
Go for it. That’s one of the benefits of being FOSS, and other countries have their own versions of Linux already (that meet whatever dumb authoritarian rules are required).
A national fork? In Russia?
Sometimes the jokes write themselves.
It would be “interesting” at best.
Why should this be different than the US or EU funding open source, either directly or through universities, corporations, and NGOs that often intersect with the military “industrial” financial complex?
Try to explain why it’s different rather than pointing to their nationality and going “well, see???”
Because Russia is under sanctions. They would have to take everything into there own hands which means they would basically have a separate project.
they would basically have a separate project.
That’s what a fork is. Happens all the time.
It really doesn’t happen all the time. It is pretty rare for a fork to be successful especially if most of the development is still happening on the original project. I don’t see Russia having much success with this.
Oh sure we agree then, was just minigun full auto posting. It’s going to be completely separate from the financial system that has most open source development under its thumb, I find that exciting.
Why not just use Red Star Linux? I thought Jong Un and Vlad were besties.
Well to be pedantic, Red Star is a custom DE on top of Linux, not a kernel
regardless, a country should maintain their own fork regardless if its being used for government computers.
As lower income economies develop more tech there will be more public open source initiatives like in the EU, but with a decidedly different focus.
They expect the special operation to take only a month.
Developers mysteriously pushed
throughto Windows.That’s also US controlled.
I guest some sort of custom BSD?
Is anyone using BSD as a desktop by the way? Ive only been focusing on Linux.
Very few
Honestly I don’t see much point in BSD. Weak licensing and the BSDs are all different. Wayland and systemd are probably nails in the coffin as neither of them will ever work on BSD.
The thing is, there is no way for the US and British to swoop in and declare unlimited military support for the opposing side in exchange for mineral rights and financial predation on its industry and state assets.
It’s a Linux fork.
That’s what I’m saying, associating it with the SMO is just liberal Russiagate brainworms manifesting over every issue related to the country. I wasn’t the one to bring it up.
This is a thread about a Russian fork of Linux.
Yes, and if Russia is solely defined by the war in Ukraine to you, you don’t even understand how their government works. It’s pure jingoism. Are these people who decided they are Linux superfans the day that Russian maintainers were kicked out so comfortable with the idea that only Western governments should invest in open source technologies? This kind of thing should become a public utility.
It’s funny because it’s not a realistic expectation.
We discussed that “expectation” already, and how hopes of diplomacy with Ukraine evaporated officially with Boris Johnson’s visit. Of course, behind the scenes it was already hopeless since 2014. They just took time to prepare for sanctions.
Rather than discussing the prospect of the development of Linux as a public utility by a diverse array of nations and groups, you show up to cheerlead for western tech monopolies and the intellectual apparatus. You jeer. You hoot. You’ve got your burger in hand.
Like many things in Russia, the appearance is more important than the truth. If there were anything substantial made, I’m sure there will one or more soy agencies helping to pad a developer’s savings.
I’m sorry is there anything in your brain other than slop from Google News? You see the word Russia and you start writing fanfiction!
Sir, this is a Wendy’s.
Oh, was I the one who brought up the war in Ukraine over Linux? No, that was Reddit brigaders infecting every topic they mentally associate with it, as usual.
Sir, this is a Kernel. This is not the United Nations.
Sir, this is a Lemmy.
Sir, this is a Kernel discussion on a Mastodon instance wearing a trenchcoat.
The real challenge facing a kremlin linux fork isn’t opposition, it’s deciding what to do once they realize there aren’t any maternity wards in the kernel they can shoot ballistic missiles at.
I think you’re confusing with israel.
Oh first the Russian government is the one responsible for the fork itself, now suddenly they are shooting missiles at it in your mind. The liberal brainpan is a fascinating place.
I think you may have misread the message you replied to. The message you replied to was implying the Russians wouldn’t know how to deal with the kernel because they can’t shoot missiles at it. That’s the opposite of what your reply implies.
Every accusation is a confession, as per standard procedure.
Was wondering if something like this would happen
Ru-nix
Cosmo-nix
Move the emphasis and we have a deal! Cos-monix
Sputnix.
BRICS Linux.
BRINUCS
The bad kerning in that cover image text cannot be unseen
Fascinating.
I would be very surprised if such a fork would diverge from Linux. I would guess that this would be little more than a branch with (most likely) support for Russian hardware. Just my hunch.
A legitimate hard fork doesn’t seem particularly smart to me, but what do I know…
It’s not about a divergent featureset, it’s about making sure Russian businesses can continue to legally use Linux if the US decides to make that the next step
“I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, Rus/GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, Russian Federation plus GNU plus Linux minus Linus.”
