Went with EndeavourOS instead so at least I have more than an ice cubes chance in hell of not borking my install
Gentoo stage 3 here.
They discouraged earlier stages in the wiki :(
I’m sorry, sir, but the tests indicate you have Stage 3 Gentoo.
I wish I could hug you.
Bravo.
Oof. What’s the prognosis?
and from what we’ve gathered about your case, it’s terminal
Don’t mean to bash your distro choice OP, but they say the best jokes contain a kernel of truth.
Install Gentoo.
Installing arch without archinstall is way too much fucking work. I’d much rather spend time fixing the 10% greater likelihood of encountering issues post install than doing all that fucking bullshit manually. The command line is better for a lot of things but configuring partitions and mount points is not one of them. I demand a fuckin gui for that stuff.
The rationale in the OP is that with archinstall, an inexperienced user will have no idea where to even begin diagnosing any issues post install. Whereas installing manually is sort of a barrier to entry that ensures you know what you’re doing.
It’s been a while since I installed arch manually, but wouldn’t that only help you understand a bit on disk partitioning and some basic commands like copying files/chrooting? You generally learn that stuff the first time your install breaks on any distro
That’s a stupid reason to make an installation as painful as possible. I can follow the installation wiki but I just don’t have time for this. And an inexperienced user can follow the wiki or another how-to and finish the installation but still be lost if something breaks later on.
It’s not being made “as painful as possible”, it’s just manual. Arch isn’t a distro that’ll preconfigure things for you so everything’s plug’n’play, it’s a distro that’ll give you access to everything and the power to use it however you like, but with that comes the expectation and responsibility to manage those things.
Installing arch manually is simply a good lesson in how your system is set up, what parts it’s made up of, in part because you’re free to remove and switch out those parts.
And sure, there’s no magic bullet to make sure a new user understands everything they did, but I think in the end, if you’re not willing to read, learn and troubleshoot, you might just want a different distro.
This is why arches based distos are taking off. They help with picking packages etc to save time.
I’ve done it both by the book and arch install. Arch install is just nice.
That’s why I went with EndeavourOS - nice installer, some changes and tweaks to the default settings, but after that it uses the arch repositories and there’s no difference to arch anymore afaik.
And now you’re lost
Cause following the arch wiki is sooooooo much of an efort
Actually, yes. In many, many aspects Arch wiki requires a lot of prerequisite knowledge. Otherwise, you’ll be better off following online guides.
I found the effort was in researching and choosing which components to use, rather than actually installing once chosen. It’s easy if you know exactly what you’re gonna install, but on that first build it definitely takes effort if you want to read into all the options and make educated choices
Archinstall made my root partition 25 GiBs the first time I ever messed around on arch. That was fun when it filled up.
yep, me too. At least I had 50GB but man, I was frustrated when I found out…
Learning to properly configure pre existing drives with archinstall was an adventure on its own.
Falls off a cliff and has no snapper enabled so the system is broken
I’ve installed Arch manually exactly once. (Just for the bragging rights, lol)
My go to way is just installing EndeavourOS. It’s basically Arch, but with a nicer installer and reasonable defaults.
Once is all you need to be fair. After that you’re the exact person who should be using archinstall.
I got to where it expected me to partition the drive manually and noped out. I was doing that in the 90’s when I compiled my own kernel. Ain’t nobody got time for that today.
I did it once, wrote down all the commands I used in order and then made my own install script. It was a great learning experience
i did that once… watched a video of some guy installing it, wrote down every single command, did it myself, it worked! then the clock system broke and i tried to fix it, couldn’t do it because dumb, and reinstalled it. exact same commands as before, but it didn’t work, no clue why
then i did the same with some other youtube video, until i just decided to use an arch based distro with an installer
now i just see people talking about archinstall and i’m like… i could’ve done it with one command? why did nobody tell me??? or did i just ignore everyone who told me? am i stupid???
Tbf you couldn’t always. Archinstall didn’t come until a few years ago
hmmm how many years ago? i started using linux (with fedora, then arch a couple of months later) around the end of 2022 or mid 2023
First stable release of Archinstall was 5 years ago according to the releases on GitHub so it already existed
I use Endeavour, btw. Nah, I don’t think it’ll catch one.
I’m super stoked to be on an Arch-based system, but things have been so easy I have earned no bragging rights what-so-ever with it.
Btw, I’m on an arch endeavour
Go ahead, install Arch on a VM (it’s not hard at all, actually!) and get your medal.
Then keep with Endeavour and enjoy your ride :D
I installed arch without it and it was a fucking struggle. Didn’t know it existed til after. Like actually hours after
I did it the manual way probably about 10 times on my Linux learning journey, it was a really good way to learn how Linux itself worked. Now I just use archinstall every time.
I’ve done it, I’ve gotten the satisfaction from it, but it’s not gonna add any more inches to my e-peen.
thats fine and thats the exact usecase for arch install. This meme is for people who never install it once manually and use archinstall to get a working configured system.
“Lazy sherpas.”
Installing Arch ‘the proper way’ is a pilgrimage all Linux users should take. After that, they can fly with EndeavourOS at their convenience.
If this was accurate, the ropes would have snapped and Homer would go hurddling to the base of the mountain.
That’s what pacman -Syyu is for. The occasional life support failure and forced bug hunting is part of the experience.
Well, ‘pacman -Syyu’ is only effective if pacman exists on the monstrocity that archinstall ‘builds’. aggressively re-pacstraps
Honestly, I had wayyyy more issues when using archinstall than just installing it normally by the wiki. I might just be stupid though :P
Installed manually first then later using archinstall. I came across an issue that wouldn’t format a partition. Saw the issue on github too. So had to format manually and continue.
I gave up and used endeavouros instead.
“We need more people to use linux, look at what MS is doing to people.”
People who have never used linux trying to use and learn linux by using an installer built by awesome members of the Arch team.
“C’mon do you even linux?”
