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Gentoo stage 3 here.
They discouraged earlier stages in the wiki :(
Install Gentoo.
I’m sorry, sir, but the tests indicate you have Stage 3 Gentoo.
Oof. What’s the prognosis?
and from what we’ve gathered about your case, it’s terminal
Don’t mean to bash your distro choice OP, but they say the best jokes contain a kernel of truth.
I wish I could hug you.
Bravo.
I’ve been using arch since archinstall came out. I never installed it reading the wiki.
I sleep like a baby and everything works.
Not sure about this meme. It seems dated. Since they added a walk through installed it’s just as easy as Debian.
No. Debian is much easier. Archinstall is still super easy to piss off.
I use arch btw, have been for 5 or so years, I open the gates to those who want to use arch install
You are not any lesser for not wanting to install arch manually
Artix:
any arch based distro:
(and most linux distros in general)
People here are always talking about different distros, trying this one and then that one until they found what they like. Are you guys really just reinstalling your OS that often? Reinstalling all the programs you want and everything?
Yes. About once every 2-3 months. It’s something of a hobby.
When I started out, I used to change distros like socks lol While you do have to reinstall programs, having a separate /home partition means that you can keep your stuff between changes
it’s called “distrohopping”, and yes. nowadays it’s easier to do it in a vm, but less fun
I did for a few years, finally think I’m settled on arch for desktop, but for servers, hurry is still out
I’m not. Mint is all I need, Mint is all I want.
These comments really make me wonder if people would just get therapy instead of installing Arch if therapy was cheaper.
Wht does it even matter if you don’t install Arch manually? Is the whole point of the arch installing? I don’t think so, it’s using. If you don’t find anything joyful in manually installing arch it’s perfectly fine to manually install only once to make sure you know how it works. And just use
archinstallin every following installation that’s not shamefucause you can then say “I installed arch manually, btw”
The “btw” is insincere if they didn’t do it manually, they should be prohibited from using it.
Arch’s tag to neatly summarise the aloof snobbery must be preserved. If archintall script users can say it; how long until “I use manjaro btw”, or “i use endeavouros btw”. At which point it just has no value - I don’t believe these people are genuinely considering themselves superior to other users - as reflected in several other comments here.
Archinstall script should be modified to install a keylogger that will bork the system if ever “arch btw” is detected.
If one has installed arch using the installer, what is the correct way to impart upon the world that you are in fact a user of arch. Can one very quickly and silently breathe out the words “iusearch”?
Archinstall is a part of arch so they say they use arch btw that’s sensible to be
No! Heathen! Download the source for every package and compile it yourself! Compile the kernel yourself, compile the compiler yourself! Never script anything, always do every step manually, every time! Using tools that make things convenient and foolproof makes you weak and unappreciative of the real hardship and struggle it requires to checks notes use a personal computer!
I’ll never understand why more people don’t build their own distros to suit their needs.
Jajja I once tried to install Ungoogled Chromium from AUR, which is done by compiling from source, it took me 4 hours :< I couldn’t imagine compiling everything manually that’s totally insane
thankfully there is a -bin package
Went with EndeavourOS instead so at least I have more than an ice cubes chance in hell of not borking my install
Installing arch without archinstall is way too much fucking work. I’d much rather spend time fixing the 10% greater likelihood of encountering issues post install than doing all that fucking bullshit manually. The command line is better for a lot of things but configuring partitions and mount points is not one of them. I demand a fuckin gui for that stuff.
I’ve done it both by the book and arch install. Arch install is just nice.
That’s why I went with EndeavourOS - nice installer, some changes and tweaks to the default settings, but after that it uses the arch repositories and there’s no difference to arch anymore afaik.
This is why arches based distos are taking off. They help with picking packages etc to save time.
The rationale in the OP is that with archinstall, an inexperienced user will have no idea where to even begin diagnosing any issues post install. Whereas installing manually is sort of a barrier to entry that ensures you know what you’re doing.
It’s been a while since I installed arch manually, but wouldn’t that only help you understand a bit on disk partitioning and some basic commands like copying files/chrooting? You generally learn that stuff the first time your install breaks on any distro
That’s a stupid reason to make an installation as painful as possible. I can follow the installation wiki but I just don’t have time for this. And an inexperienced user can follow the wiki or another how-to and finish the installation but still be lost if something breaks later on.
It’s not being made “as painful as possible”, it’s just manual. Arch isn’t a distro that’ll preconfigure things for you so everything’s plug’n’play, it’s a distro that’ll give you access to everything and the power to use it however you like, but with that comes the expectation and responsibility to manage those things.
Installing arch manually is simply a good lesson in how your system is set up, what parts it’s made up of, in part because you’re free to remove and switch out those parts.
And sure, there’s no magic bullet to make sure a new user understands everything they did, but I think in the end, if you’re not willing to read, learn and troubleshoot, you might just want a different distro.
And now you’re lost
Cause following the arch wiki is sooooooo much of an efort
Actually, yes. In many, many aspects Arch wiki requires a lot of prerequisite knowledge. Otherwise, you’ll be better off following online guides.
I found the effort was in researching and choosing which components to use, rather than actually installing once chosen. It’s easy if you know exactly what you’re gonna install, but on that first build it definitely takes effort if you want to read into all the options and make educated choices
Archinstall made my root partition 25 GiBs the first time I ever messed around on arch. That was fun when it filled up.
yep, me too. At least I had 50GB but man, I was frustrated when I found out…
Learning to properly configure pre existing drives with archinstall was an adventure on its own.
Falls off a cliff and has no snapper enabled so the system is broken
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