Iranian state television on Tuesday afternoon urged the country’s public to remove the messaging app WhatsApp from their smart phones, alleging without offering any evidence the app gathered user information to send to Israel
As opposed to western “Divine Secular Absolutism”? Real funny looking words you got there, when stringed together.
Authoritarianism is a dumb, useless and meaningless term, when you understand that every state assumes authority (name me one country that doesn’t assume authority, therefore isn’t “authoritarian”).
1979 happened because you libs couldn’t stop trying to meddle in Iran’s affairs.
Coulda saved spared us from the dogwhistle by just saying “they’re not white”.
Every state has authority over its citizens but some of them let women drive and not have to stay covered up and unable to move around or do anything eithout a man and don’t support child marriage.
Hope this distinction helps!
To be clear fuck Israel they started this shit with Iran and I dont support it. But for you to say Iran isn’t authoritarian is ignorant of the facts.
How dare you criticize sharia in a lemmy.ml community you liberul??? The only thing that Iran is guilty of out of all the stuff that you listed is that they have mandatory clothing laws, but it’s really just a cultural choice really, you’re just brainwashed by the West’s Divine Secular Absolutism which allows people to dress… freely😱😱😱. And 9 y.o. children getting married isn’t a state policy you propagandist! It’s just legal, that doesn’t make it a state policy now does it?
I hope with the replies of Lemmy’s beautiful Erdoganists, you have come to realize that Iran isn’t a shithole Yet Another Middle Eastern Reactionary Shariah, it’s a Far-Left Utopian Theocracy.
out of these things you said, so far iran is guilty of only requiring women to stay covered and, to a degree, child marriage (it’s not a state policy, but marriage with girls as young as 9 years old is legal). as far as i know women in iran can drive (the last country where women were not allowed to drive was US ally saudi arabia) and are free to move around, work, study and such, notwithstanding the challenges that women face there (legal discrimination and the oppression that they suffer just by living in a capitalist country).
however, the liberation of women in iran won’t come imposed by other nation states, especially the western capitalist ones, and certainly won’t come as a result of a war against israel. they don’t give a damn about the iranian people, be they women, queer, religious or ethnic minorities. the sionist establishment just want anyone that menace their grip over middle east off their necks, and that’s what the iranian bourgeoisie are doing right now.
if you ask me what i think would be better, the working classes of both countries would team up to seize their military apparatuses and turn them against their elites. if that’s not possible, anything that hurts western imperialism gives the world a small victory, regardless of whoever achieves them. we can take care of whoever punches the west later.
Iranian women have to get permission from their husbands to work and if a husband deems the employment of a woman to insult the honor of the family, he can revoke said permission at any time.
If a woman is killed, the nearest living male relative can decide whether or not to forgive the murderer. This decision cannot be made by female relatives. A women’s testimony can always be overruled if a man testifies the opposite.
If the family of a murder victim wants to receive money instead of seeing the murdered hanged, the murderer has to pay only half the blood money if the victim was female.
Leaving Iran without the husbands permission is prohibited.
Women are routinely banned from certain events like football games or other public spectacles. Women are more often rejected as candidates in “elections”.
Rape has to be proven by at least three witnesses; spousal compensation ends, as soon as women leave their marital home.
Women are second class citizens in Iran. Not just through societal patterns, but by law.
I totally agree with you on your stance towards western involvement, but the amount of people outright denying that the IR is terrible for its people just disgusts me.
I have never seen evidence that women are not allowed to drive, and I have had Iranians tell me the contrary. IRNA Irans state news if it was not down from likely DDOS I would show you posted an immage of one of the dead from Israels attack, was a women without a head covering, agian there is no evidence I can find that it is a law, just a large cultural preference. Same think with a women in Iran being dependent on a man, I have seen no evidence for this outside of the Western press.
I just want to ask a clarification, are you saying anti-child marriage is a bad thing???
But for you to say Iran isn’t authoritarian is ignorant of the facts.
We are not ignorant of the facts, but you are ignorant of your carrying water for Western imperialism. Which is understandable thanks to a lifetime of propaganda, but it’s never too late to stop.
Of course you focus on women because that’s the desirable group of objects of which you most desire, so you project your desires on to “helpless”, “hapless” women who need your “civilized” and “noble” ass “saving” from these “dirty barbaric orcs”.
Every state has authority over its citizens but some of them let women drive
Women can drive in Iran.
not have to stay covered up
As opposed to Europeans depriving women of their dignities and forcing them to stay as uncovered as possible?
Age of consent in Germany is the age at which 14 year old can fiddle each other and people up to 18. They can not marry adults.
Iran allows marriage after the occurrence of the first period.
You see the difference?
Oh, and the harshest European law against hijabs is France’s asinine ban of full face coverage, which punishes the wearing of the niqab or tshador with a maximum fine of 150€. If one forces someone to wear these veils, they can be punished with a fine of up to 30.000€ and a year in prison.
This law is horseshit, I wanna make that clear.
The Iranian law on Veils punishes the first offense with a suspended fine of 6.7 million toman, then on the second offense ramps up 13 million, then between 20 and 80 million and the fourth between 80 and 165.
After the fifth, it’s two to five years in prison. For not wearing a veil.
It gets even funnier: if you advocate for people to not wear a veil, and you did so in corporation with some non-iranian entity or person, you will immediately be sentenced to a fine of between 300 million and 550 million toman and 5 to 10 years in prison. You can even be sentenced to death if the court determines that your actions are spreading “corruption and evil on earth”.
I deliberately did that to basically demonstrate Western chauvinism in its rawest form. It’s greater magnitudes more fucked up than anything chauvinists blab about. Also what the fuck is California lol.
I only brought it up because I know in the US marrage laws are often the same or lower than out age of consent laws (from wikipedia) so I think the marrage laws are more damning, atleast in the US
No, Authoritarian as in not allowing women to have basic human rights.
This is why I don’t like tankies. You claim to be leftist but always support countries with right-wing policies. Lemmygrad has turned your brain to mush.
There are thousands of videos of foreigneirs strolling in Iran where you can see women walking around freely, the narrative youre spewing is a stupid propaganda point to justify a bloody war with Iran.
There is no such thing as a “leftist” that supports a bloody invasion to “liberate women”.
as a western leftist i am willing to sacrifice millions of lives of irani people because the new york times told me women were oppressed you brainwashed tankie!
God damn, and here I thought Americans were brainwashed. How are you completely unaware of the protests and uncovered women being kidnapped by government officials? I refuse to believe that someone can be this ignorant of world events. They’re walking around uncovered because they’re protesting the hijab mandate, you fucking donkey. But it’s still a law, designed to oppress women.
But of course you’re already aware of this, so I don’t know why I’m bothering. Nobody can be this ignorant. You’re obviously trolling.
This is also true. Doesn’t make it right. Black Lives Matter. Oppression is wrong, no matter who’s doing it, plain and simple. America is equally as fucked up.
Seriously, what a dumb rebuttal. Tankies are so fucking retarded. It legitimately upsets me how god damn stupid and ignorant you people are.
I can imagine, because it’s almost always true of chronically Western libs parroting State Department buzzwords. Not really beating the allegations here.
I’m well aware that the British and US lead a coup to reinstall the Shah, which ultimately caused the Iranian Revolution. Islamic fundamentalism was definitely not the answer.
You sure have a lot of fucking attitude for someone criticizing people for not being your slaves. Pretty crazy you have the fucking nerve to criticize in the first place. Almost like you think they should have stayed your slaves and that would have been better.
It has been their answer because a ideologically strong and intolerant leadership is what you need when foreign power are invading your politics and coup-ing your governments.
You don’t want to end up geopolitically cucked like Ethiopia or India or China.
So you install brutal monster who put people repeating foreign power talking points, into an industrial blender.
Anyone who thinks that’s not great, great! Stop doing to the coup shit. Find a CIA mind slave and explain why the oxygen they’re breathing could feed some african child.
Authoritarian Islamic fundamentalism.
Awww, you’ve been reading newspapers again.
As opposed to western “Divine Secular Absolutism”? Real funny looking words you got there, when stringed together.
Authoritarianism is a dumb, useless and meaningless term, when you understand that every state assumes authority (name me one country that doesn’t assume authority, therefore isn’t “authoritarian”).
1979 happened because you libs couldn’t stop trying to meddle in Iran’s affairs.
Coulda saved spared us from the dogwhistle by just saying “they’re not white”.
Every state has authority over its citizens but some of them let women drive and not have to stay covered up and unable to move around or do anything eithout a man and don’t support child marriage.
Hope this distinction helps!
To be clear fuck Israel they started this shit with Iran and I dont support it. But for you to say Iran isn’t authoritarian is ignorant of the facts.
How dare you criticize sharia in a lemmy.ml community you liberul??? The only thing that Iran is guilty of out of all the stuff that you listed is that they have mandatory clothing laws, but it’s really just a cultural choice really, you’re just brainwashed by the West’s Divine Secular Absolutism which allows people to dress… freely😱😱😱. And 9 y.o. children getting married isn’t a state policy you propagandist! It’s just legal, that doesn’t make it a state policy now does it?
And you’re wrong!!! Women are allowed to drive in Iran. They just can’t leave the country or anything without her husband’s permission, and make sure that her hijab is not loose or she might get killed by state police.
I hope with the replies of Lemmy’s beautiful Erdoganists, you have come to realize that Iran isn’t a shithole Yet Another Middle Eastern Reactionary Shariah, it’s a Far-Left Utopian Theocracy.
TLDR: Just switch to Lemmy.World’s c/privacy ffs
out of these things you said, so far iran is guilty of only requiring women to stay covered and, to a degree, child marriage (it’s not a state policy, but marriage with girls as young as 9 years old is legal). as far as i know women in iran can drive (the last country where women were not allowed to drive was US ally saudi arabia) and are free to move around, work, study and such, notwithstanding the challenges that women face there (legal discrimination and the oppression that they suffer just by living in a capitalist country).
however, the liberation of women in iran won’t come imposed by other nation states, especially the western capitalist ones, and certainly won’t come as a result of a war against israel. they don’t give a damn about the iranian people, be they women, queer, religious or ethnic minorities. the sionist establishment just want anyone that menace their grip over middle east off their necks, and that’s what the iranian bourgeoisie are doing right now.
if you ask me what i think would be better, the working classes of both countries would team up to seize their military apparatuses and turn them against their elites. if that’s not possible, anything that hurts western imperialism gives the world a small victory, regardless of whoever achieves them. we can take care of whoever punches the west later.
Iranian women have to get permission from their husbands to work and if a husband deems the employment of a woman to insult the honor of the family, he can revoke said permission at any time. If a woman is killed, the nearest living male relative can decide whether or not to forgive the murderer. This decision cannot be made by female relatives. A women’s testimony can always be overruled if a man testifies the opposite. If the family of a murder victim wants to receive money instead of seeing the murdered hanged, the murderer has to pay only half the blood money if the victim was female. Leaving Iran without the husbands permission is prohibited.
Women are routinely banned from certain events like football games or other public spectacles. Women are more often rejected as candidates in “elections”.
Rape has to be proven by at least three witnesses; spousal compensation ends, as soon as women leave their marital home.
Women are second class citizens in Iran. Not just through societal patterns, but by law.
I totally agree with you on your stance towards western involvement, but the amount of people outright denying that the IR is terrible for its people just disgusts me.
I have never seen evidence that women are not allowed to drive, and I have had Iranians tell me the contrary. IRNA Irans state news if it was not down from likely DDOS I would show you posted an immage of one of the dead from Israels attack, was a women without a head covering, agian there is no evidence I can find that it is a law, just a large cultural preference. Same think with a women in Iran being dependent on a man, I have seen no evidence for this outside of the Western press.
I just want to ask a clarification, are you saying anti-child marriage is a bad thing???
We are not ignorant of the facts, but you are ignorant of your carrying water for Western imperialism. Which is understandable thanks to a lifetime of propaganda, but it’s never too late to stop.
The Enlightened Centrist has entered the chat!
Of course you focus on women because that’s the desirable group of objects of which you most desire, so you project your desires on to “helpless”, “hapless” women who need your “civilized” and “noble” ass “saving” from these “dirty barbaric orcs”.
Women can drive in Iran.
As opposed to Europeans depriving women of their dignities and forcing them to stay as uncovered as possible?
Dear white people of France: being forced to undress wasn’t exactly the liberation I was longing for
Palestinian women detail Israeli sexual assaults in Kamal Adwan raid
Iranian women can move around freely, it was definitely a much bigger case then for sure, but nowadays it’s literally a non-issue…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent_in_Europe
Age of consent in Germany is the age at which 14 year old can fiddle each other and people up to 18. They can not marry adults.
Iran allows marriage after the occurrence of the first period.
You see the difference?
Oh, and the harshest European law against hijabs is France’s asinine ban of full face coverage, which punishes the wearing of the niqab or tshador with a maximum fine of 150€. If one forces someone to wear these veils, they can be punished with a fine of up to 30.000€ and a year in prison. This law is horseshit, I wanna make that clear.
The Iranian law on Veils punishes the first offense with a suspended fine of 6.7 million toman, then on the second offense ramps up 13 million, then between 20 and 80 million and the fourth between 80 and 165. After the fifth, it’s two to five years in prison. For not wearing a veil.
It gets even funnier: if you advocate for people to not wear a veil, and you did so in corporation with some non-iranian entity or person, you will immediately be sentenced to a fine of between 300 million and 550 million toman and 5 to 10 years in prison. You can even be sentenced to death if the court determines that your actions are spreading “corruption and evil on earth”.
One nitpick on your post, you posted the age of concent not the age of allowable marrage, in in some places those are diffrent numbers
I deliberately did that to basically demonstrate Western chauvinism in its rawest form. It’s greater magnitudes more fucked up than anything chauvinists blab about. Also what the fuck is California lol.
I only brought it up because I know in the US marrage laws are often the same or lower than out age of consent laws
(from wikipedia) so I think the marrage laws are more damning, atleast in the US
Authoritarian as in not allowing westerners to take over the country resources.
No, Authoritarian as in not allowing women to have basic human rights.
This is why I don’t like tankies. You claim to be leftist but always support countries with right-wing policies. Lemmygrad has turned your brain to mush.
There are thousands of videos of foreigneirs strolling in Iran where you can see women walking around freely, the narrative youre spewing is a stupid propaganda point to justify a bloody war with Iran.
There is no such thing as a “leftist” that supports a bloody invasion to “liberate women”.
Noooooo Karl Marx would absolutely support capitalist dropping nuclear bombs on Iranian children
as a western leftist i am willing to sacrifice millions of lives of irani people because the new york times told me women were oppressed you brainwashed tankie!
God damn, and here I thought Americans were brainwashed. How are you completely unaware of the protests and uncovered women being kidnapped by government officials? I refuse to believe that someone can be this ignorant of world events. They’re walking around uncovered because they’re protesting the hijab mandate, you fucking donkey. But it’s still a law, designed to oppress women.
But of course you’re already aware of this, so I don’t know why I’m bothering. Nobody can be this ignorant. You’re obviously trolling.
And in America black people get shot for running down the street.
Shut the fuck up.
This is also true. Doesn’t make it right. Black Lives Matter. Oppression is wrong, no matter who’s doing it, plain and simple. America is equally as fucked up.
Seriously, what a dumb rebuttal. Tankies are so fucking retarded. It legitimately upsets me how god damn stupid and ignorant you people are.
We are neither stupid nor ignorant. We are your enemies.
yea i am the brainwashed, yet you are the one parroting the media narrative while they’re getting bombed.
look, oppressed women everywhere https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3HVXSMsRCY
Mom, I said it again
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Imagine trying to explain the concept of authority like a dipshit and then end it with an accusation of racism.
Could never be me lmao.
I can imagine, because it’s almost always true of chronically Western libs parroting State Department buzzwords. Not really beating the allegations here.
Name one country that doesn’t assume authority.
oh honey
why do you think it’s that way
I’m well aware that the British and US lead a coup to reinstall the Shah, which ultimately caused the Iranian Revolution. Islamic fundamentalism was definitely not the answer.
You sure have a lot of fucking attitude for someone criticizing people for not being your slaves. Pretty crazy you have the fucking nerve to criticize in the first place. Almost like you think they should have stayed your slaves and that would have been better.
It has been their answer because a ideologically strong and intolerant leadership is what you need when foreign power are invading your politics and coup-ing your governments.
You don’t want to end up geopolitically cucked like Ethiopia or India or China. So you install brutal monster who put people repeating foreign power talking points, into an industrial blender.
Anyone who thinks that’s not great, great! Stop doing to the coup shit. Find a CIA mind slave and explain why the oxygen they’re breathing could feed some african child.
the new york times told me so i repeat every chance i get.