• Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
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    There’s also a number of things you have to click “no” on, like a free trial office or Onedrive.

    It took me around an hour to set up my new Win 11 laptop, most of which was downloading and installing updates. I expected far worse.

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      And downloading updates is a good thing. Means that the fresh installation isn’t vulnerable to something that was fixed between when the USB / DVD was pressed and the time the person installed it.

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      Oh please, we spend an hour fucking around in a new Linux install to get things the way we like them too.

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        A new Linux installation is usually usable and you spend an hour tailoring it to your specific needs. While in a new Windows installation I spend the first hour remembering things that’ll start popping up/executing in the background and disabling them just to get it to a usable state.

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          Just learn how to install windows the way you want it to be just like you learn the best way to install a distro. Debloated windows takes minutes to install and takes so little actual effort if you know what you’re doing.

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            I probably cannot get Windows to be the way I like it. They make every change I want to make a pain, and the ways to circumvent their shenanigans are always changing. Setting up a local account, changing your default browser, stopping onedrive from wasting your time, all of these should be quick and simple changes, but they just wouldn’t let you choose for yourself, they have to shove their products and settings down your throat with every new installation, update, and misclick. I spent more than an hour setting up a new installation and I still find new ways Edge can start itself, I cannot imagine the time it would take for me to make this as usable as a simple Linux installation with some changes to the DE.

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              All of these changes you list can be achieved in a couple of clicks.

              Don’t know what you are smoking my dude.

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                At some point changing the default browser required setting each file type’s default app one by one. Using a local account once was a normal option then it became hidden and required setting up some questions then you had to disconnect from Wi-Fi and now it’s not a visible option and you have to get around it with some command. This may take you some clicks when you’ve already installed Windows before, but it’s heading towards simply not being an option, and setting up a usable Linux installation is already much easier today.

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                  This may take you some clicks when you’ve already installed Windows before

                  Those same clicks can be used by everyone

                  but it’s heading towards simply not being an option

                  Speculation, not based on facts.

                  and setting up a usable Linux installation is already much easier today.

                  Only if you know what you are doing. So exactly the same boat as you put Windows in.

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        I would argue it takes even longer to get a windows install how I like it. Even using Chris Titus Tech’s tool, it probably takes 2 hours for me to install things like winget, steam, librewolf, libreoffice, blender and configure the task bar and lock screen. Not to mention how last time I checked, I could not rebind the windows key to trigger the app overview how I like it.

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          How often are you installing windows? I deploy probably 7-8 a week. I can have an image usable without telemetry in 10 minutes.

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            I seldom install windows, so I also have to relearn some things during the debloat. At 10 minutes, you are basically speedrunning the windows installation process lol.

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          That’s not windows tho, that’s setting up your entire fucking digital life to your satisfaction. The meme is about like, going to the task bar and telling Microsoft “no this isnt just a shitty gnome, please use my entire monitor”

          For everything else just use winget-ui and install everything you want

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          How I want a windows install is “working, with no BS”.

          It comes out the box working, all I needed to do was disable Onedrive on boot. I haven’t even bothered to change the background, and probably won’t.

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        No, see: some of us spend countless hours setting up their NixOS config repo, which is totally worth it because you save half an hour when moving to a new machine