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Sagittarii@lemm.ee to World News@lemmy.ml ·
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Russia warns Ukraine’s ATACMS attacks mark ‘new phase’ of war, lowers threshold for using nuclear weapons

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Russia warns Ukraine’s ATACMS attacks mark ‘new phase’ of war, lowers threshold for using nuclear weapons

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Sagittarii@lemm.ee to World News@lemmy.ml ·
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Russia warns Ukraine’s ATACMS attacks mark ‘new phase’ of war
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Warning comes as Putin lowers threshold for using Russia nuclear arsenal in move decried as ‘irresponsible’ by the West.
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    Serious question here, but how exactly do you think the world should deal with a dictator armed with nukes? Capitulate at every single threat?

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      I don’t know how the world should deal with Biden, truly. Russia is not the power that is issuing threats. NATO did exactly what they recognized for decades would push Russia to invade. Ask how Russia should deal with a foreign power covertly manipulating their neighbor’s politics to elevate Nazis who would go on to bomb Russian speakers.

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        “NATO did exactly what they recognized for decades would push Russia to invade.” Which is nothing.

        “Ask how Russia should deal with a foreign power covertly manipulating their neighbor’s politics to elevate Nazis who would go on to bomb Russian speakers.” LOL Now you are into delusional crackpot territory.

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          Are you a troll, or do you simply not know anything?

          • George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
          • Jeffrey Sachs, May 2023: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
          • Jeffrey Sachs, Sep. 2023: NATO Chief Admits NATO Expansion Was Key to Russian Invasion of Ukraine

          • The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
          • CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
          • Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO “most violent, aggressive alliance in the world”
          • Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism

          • Gabriel Rockhill, 2020: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It

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            errmm, actually, history started in February 2022 ☝️🤓

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            Putin is a fascist. That is a fact. (so is Trump for that matter) Fascists should be opposed, this is also a fact.

            My question is why do you uncritically support fascists?

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              Putin is a fascist.

              [Citation needed]

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                He’s an absolute dictator who has his (serious) opponents murdered. Seems clear to me.

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                  Right, he’s a dictator who was elected by popular vote, because he’s very popular. Russians have good reason to like him: he kicked the Western capitalist neoliberal shock therapy plunderers out of the country (which is also why the West reviles him). It’s still a capitalist shithole, but at least it’s their shithole and not a neocolonized state anymore.

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          Wrt doing “nothing”:

          https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-russia-may-have-make-ukraine-deal-one-day-partners-cheated-past-2022-12-09/

          June 2022 WSJ/National Opinion Research Center poll showed 55% of Ukrainians believed NATO (and 58% wrt the US, 70% wrt the Ukrainian govt.) bears some/a great deal of responsibility for the Russian invasion and ongoing war.

          (and below)

          Wrt “covertly manipulating their neighbor’s politics to elevate Nazis”:

          https://jacobin.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-nato-crimea

          https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/analysis-u-s-cozies-kiev-government-including-far-right-n66061

          https://docs.google.com/document/d/17nC9epcFDOYcVDIcJyWx0udBGPOJiNanuAUu8jxUvmU/edit

          And wrt “bomb[ing] Russian speakers”:

          https://youtu.be/1fsMqYqHnN0

          https://web.archive.org/web/20230320234408/https://twitter.com/NinaByzantina/status/1497097389521342464

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      We should pick our battles. Do you want to get nuked for Ukraine of all places?

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        So your answer is to capitulate at every threat. Good going.

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          yeah we lost 90% of the world’s population from global nuclear hellfire and the resulting fallout, but for a brief moment there we really showed Putin who’s boss!!

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          Who cares

          Seriously

          Would you rather you and your whole family gets killed or the lines on the map say Russia? You still don’t own the means of production so same shit different asshole.

          There is no bourgeois capitalist cause that’s worth the death of a single civilian

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          What’s stopping you from going to Ukraine and fighting?

          Everyone talks big about war, they just want someone else to fight it

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          You do understand this is circular logic right? Why should Russia capitulate to every US or NATO threat?

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