As simple as possible to summarize the best way you can, first, please. Feel free to expand after, or just say whatever you want lol. Honest question.

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    11 days ago

    I have lots of information. You require that nothing must have happened before big bang for an infinite time. None such requirement exist. It is clear you are riffing on guesses you like, and then blaming ontological philosophy yet still claim scientific realism? Since your standpoint has no scientific evidence, every other must also not. But not so. It’s not untested. It isn’t impossible to know. You just have to research the topic. You will move the goalpost out of scientific realism forever, yet never understand that infinity itself.

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      11 days ago

      I have lots of information.

      No you don’t. It’s literally impossible as far as our current understand goes. If you do, why have you avoided providing it. You’ve just speculated stuff just as I have. Stop pretending you’re more knowledgeable, smart, or special than you are.

      You require that nothing must have happened before big bang for an infinite time.

      Our current knowledge points towards heat death of the universe, not a big crunch. If heat death is a possible outcome, and there’s infinite time, it should have happened before. The probability that it’s an option and it hasn’t happened is zero. Other things could happen too, but if anything can happen that prevents it from continuing forever then there’s effectively no chance it didn’t before. Infinite time means we aren’t the first.

      Since your standpoint has no scientific evidence, every other must also not. But not so. It’s not untested. It isn’t impossible to know. You just have to research the topic.

      Again, you’re making a claim to knowledge. Prove it. It doesn’t exist. We can’t peer past the CMB. That’s the earliest information we have, or can have as far as we know right now. Anything else is unknowable and certainly untestable. If not, prove it. You spoke of burden of proof earlier, and that’s for claims of knowledge. You’re making a claim of knowledge. Provide proof.

      You will move the goalpost out of scientific realism forever…

      I did not move that goalpost. There are limits to scientific knowledge, correct? Or do you think this isn’t true? If not, you’re not discussing scientific realism. You’re talking about some kind of mysticism. I’m not the one moving the goalposts. You did that if you’re pushing it beyond the definition.

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          9 days ago

          That is an assumption that it never didn’t, not a proof. What are you even doing here?

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            4 days ago

            You seem to have a problem with my belief, and just generally how science works but it can be remedied

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              4 days ago

              I have a problem with you acting smarter than you are, not your beliefs, and no I don’t have a problem with how science works. You’re the one who’s claiming it’s something different than it is. I’m not responding after this comment, but you don’t have the information you think you do. I think that’s an issue for you for some reason, but it’s perfectly fine to not know things.

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                3 days ago

                Ok so burden of proof is on the one telling any story, then reality itself must adhere to, or challenge that or it’s just a correct assumption? Also note that nobody else is allowed to have any other belief or facts to challenge the story because “nobody can know anything about anything”? It’s like the debating technique of a narcissist