This is what Democrats should propose to end the Israeli Palestinian conflict. Egypt will be given the West Bank enlarged by land equivalent to the Gaza Strip. In return, Israel will be given the Gaza Strip and land at least 3 times larger than the West Bank in the Sinai Peninsula. Some of the land will be adjacent to water so Israel can build desalination plants. The Sinai is inhospitable, and Egypt doesn’t have the technology to develop it but Israel does. With its new land, Egypt can give it to the Palestinians, make it a state within Egypt, or whatever it wants.
This would counter Trump’s proposal to displace Palestinians in Gaza and turn it into a French Riviera. However, Democrats are too dumb to make such a proposal.
Beyond the ethnic cleansing issues everyone already presented:
How are you calculating the ‘value of the land’?
Who deternimes the value and where the new borders are to be drawn?
Do family estates get prorated for sentimental and historical value?
What is the conversion rate of coastline and maritime claims to arable land?
Does Israel get to keep the value of settlements that it already holds either “legally” (per Israeli law) or illegally?
Why would Israeli settlers in illegal settlements vacate, and (perhaps more to the point) why would the Israeli state stop backing them when they decided not to leave?
Why would Egypt give up control of an excellent defensive border region to a hostile neighbor for a noncontiguous state that would likely be re-occupied by said state before the treaty ink is dry?
-Israel would decide what land they want and willing to give up and discuss it with Egypt.
-See above.
-No.
-Israel and Egypt would discuss that. Outside real estate developers could be called to give their opinion.
-No.
-For peace and to get more land in the Sinai.
-Gaza is no more a defensive region than Belgium was to France in 1940. The UN would agree to protect the new Palestinian state.
He wanted to exterminate them, otherwise he would have let them leave. In my plan, only the Palestinians in Gaza would have to move. Even then they would be moving next to their brothers and sisters in the West Bank
Imagine if we created a state for jews, in fucking antartica and we pointed our guns at all the jews in the world and told them they have to go there or they’re not citizens, that’s ethnic cleansing
The Palestinians in Gaza would be moving to land adjacent to their fellow Palestinians in the West Bank. They would be happy to move. The purpose is a contiguous Palestinian state rather than a fragmented one.
It’s a historically undesputed fact that Hitler first planned to expel them from Europe, and only moved onto extermination when it became clear he wouldn’t be able to.
Part of the issue here is that it would mean moving when people don’t want to move. They want to be where they originated from.
Also @BrainInABox@lemmy.ml is a troll that looks to purity test and demotivate anything that would help Palestinians. I might go as far as to say they want the genocide to go on as they keep talking trash on anything that could be pragmatic in helping Palestine. Difficult to say as they won’t answer what their proposed plan is or why they keep purity testing everything. Just in case you want to have a productive conversation they are not the person to do so with.
The first problem is that it’s ethnic cleansing. The second is that Israel would never agree to give up any of the West Bank, the third is that Egypt would not agree to take the Palestinians(they’ve been asked before, including by Biden.)
Israel would give up the West Bank for much more land in the Sinai. Israel would have the potential to become a much more populous and powerful country. Egypt would not be taking in Palestinians. Egypt would simply own the land they are in. Egypt could give them the land.
This is what Democrats should propose to end the Israeli Palestinian conflict. Egypt will be given the West Bank enlarged by land equivalent to the Gaza Strip. In return, Israel will be given the Gaza Strip and land at least 3 times larger than the West Bank in the Sinai Peninsula. Some of the land will be adjacent to water so Israel can build desalination plants. The Sinai is inhospitable, and Egypt doesn’t have the technology to develop it but Israel does. With its new land, Egypt can give it to the Palestinians, make it a state within Egypt, or whatever it wants.
This would counter Trump’s proposal to displace Palestinians in Gaza and turn it into a French Riviera. However, Democrats are too dumb to make such a proposal.
Beyond the ethnic cleansing issues everyone already presented:
-Israel would decide what land they want and willing to give up and discuss it with Egypt. -See above. -No. -Israel and Egypt would discuss that. Outside real estate developers could be called to give their opinion. -No. -For peace and to get more land in the Sinai. -Gaza is no more a defensive region than Belgium was to France in 1940. The UN would agree to protect the new Palestinian state.
What you’re describing is ethnic cleansing.
Quite the contrary. The Palestinians would now have a home. They will own it if Egypt gives it to them.
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In my plan, only the Palestinians in Gaza would have to move. Even then they would be moving next to their brothers and sisters in the West Bank.
yeah, that’s ethnic cleansing
That’s still, literally, ethnic cleansing
Explain how my plan is ethnic cleansing.
Forcibly resettling a population is ethnic cleansing
Tell me, what was Hitler’s plan with the Jews during WWII other than the holocaust? He wanted to send them to Argentina and Madagascar
He wanted to exterminate them, otherwise he would have let them leave. In my plan, only the Palestinians in Gaza would have to move. Even then they would be moving next to their brothers and sisters in the West Bank
Dude why are you trying to make ethnic cleansing work
Explain how creating a Palestinian state is ethnic cleansing.
Forcibly expelling an entire population is ethnic cleansing
Imagine if we created a state for jews, in fucking antartica and we pointed our guns at all the jews in the world and told them they have to go there or they’re not citizens, that’s ethnic cleansing
The Palestinians in Gaza would be moving to land adjacent to their fellow Palestinians in the West Bank. They would be happy to move. The purpose is a contiguous Palestinian state rather than a fragmented one.
It’s a historically undesputed fact that Hitler first planned to expel them from Europe, and only moved onto extermination when it became clear he wouldn’t be able to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan
That’s ethnic cleansing.
But they would move to equivalent land adjacent to the West Bank. Why would they complain about that?
Because it’s ethnic cleansing.
Part of the issue here is that it would mean moving when people don’t want to move. They want to be where they originated from.
Also @BrainInABox@lemmy.ml is a troll that looks to purity test and demotivate anything that would help Palestinians. I might go as far as to say they want the genocide to go on as they keep talking trash on anything that could be pragmatic in helping Palestine. Difficult to say as they won’t answer what their proposed plan is or why they keep purity testing everything. Just in case you want to have a productive conversation they are not the person to do so with.
Please point to where I have trolled. You’ve followed me across multiple instances but still have not been able to do it.
basically loudly and excitedly declaring that you have no idea what’s going on.
Be specific. What’s wrong with my proposal?
The first problem is that it’s ethnic cleansing. The second is that Israel would never agree to give up any of the West Bank, the third is that Egypt would not agree to take the Palestinians(they’ve been asked before, including by Biden.)
Israel would give up the West Bank for much more land in the Sinai. Israel would have the potential to become a much more populous and powerful country. Egypt would not be taking in Palestinians. Egypt would simply own the land they are in. Egypt could give them the land.
No they wouldn’t
They already have ten percent of their population in West Bank. They’re not giving it up.
That’s Egypt taking Palestinians.
Yeah, but they won’t. And Israel wouldn’t recognize it anyway
And it’s all still ethnic cleansing.