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Free-speech absolutists gonna free-speech.
He was prisoned on corruption charges before, which were just government funds being moved
Elon following Turkish censorship
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Nazi platform.
Make sure to stop clicking on Nazi links when people post them. No matter how bad you want to see someone “prank” someone or cry about their perceived persecution.
We need to stop making a Nazi platform important enough that it hurts democratic politicians when they lose access because of the Nazi in charge of said platform.
and if you absolutely must see something on twitter, use xcancel instead.
its a frontend for the same content, that doesn’t add views or ad revenue to twitter.
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
X are also challenging the legal order in court: https://x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1920426409358455081
You’ve called the good guys here the nazis and let the actual authoritarians off the hook scott-free.
You’ve called the good guys here the nazis and let the actual authoritarians off the hook scott-free.
Only if you ignore that Twitter is owned by a nazi, and that the person above didn’t say anything about letting, the authoritarian regime in turkey off the hook.
Only if you ignore that Twitter is owned by a nazi
It’s not.
Perhaps you have not been following the news. Elon Musk owns Twitter these days.
It’s not
It is.
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I can give you 10 people I don’t like and only one of them I know definitely to be a nazi.
That one guy is Elon Musk.
No? I don’t like lots of people, and only the far right fascist supporters, and nazis, and nazi simps I call nazis. I didn’t call elon, Hitler. So go stroke your ego elsewhere
You: “I don’t just call anyone I don’t like nazi or hitler!”
Also you: proceeds to call everyone I don’t like nazi or hitler
I know they would comply just as well, as I stated in another comment, because they are a private platform, but actually in this case the presence on Bluesky of the Imamoglu account in perfect condition with 129K followers proves that something else must be the case here.
Also, X didn’t give a shit about complying in Brazil.
Nah, Nazi platform does nazi stuff, it’s that simple.
You can come down the mirror now.
Bluesky blocked his account in turkey btw, just like X did. Bluesky have made no mention of challenging the legal request in court like X have though.
Iirc the Brazil situation was the first time anything like this had happened since Musk bought Twitter. They definitely didn’t handle it correctly, but they’ve clearly learned since then. Now they comply with legal requests and challenge them through the courts. Would you prefer they just folded every time and didn’t challenge, like all the others? Like Bluesky?
Good work on calling me a nazi though! I did nazi that coming!!
Ekrem is Kemalist, which is very similar to a literal Nazi, but in the current world I’ll even agree he’s kinda better than many other variants.
Ah yes, the guy who had no ill will towards anybody, tried to unify people to the best of his ability, and provided cheaper food for the poor… is a Nazi!
Holy shit, the sheer stupidity needed to come up with such a take!
Ah yes, the guy who had no ill will towards anybody, tried to unify people to the best of his ability, and provided cheaper food for the poor… is a Nazi!
You mean Mustafa Kemal had no ill will when his army was massacring 200k Armenians in Kars and further during Turkish-Armenian war of 1920? Or burning Smyrna with its inhabitants?
The best argument in favor of any pessimism about future is how Westerners conditioned to know that Hitler is bad, very bad, praise Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. BTW, in kinda similar terms to the popular praise of Hitler in English-speaking countries before the war.
As a person he was absolutely not better, however he was intelligent enough to pick achievable goals.
You might find this interesting, because Erdogan is also a Kemalist (at least some variation of it).
Ah yes, I can see how you can see the guy who used religion all his political career to his advantage and shat on the constitution just so he can stay in power longer, as a Kemalist.
/s
Like legit, the guy hates Ataturk’s guts, yet these idiots claim that he is a Kemalist.
I want what they are smoking. Must be some pretty good shit.
As I said, it’s a baseline for Turkey. Relative to that baseline he’s almost an Islamist, yep. Relative to it he was also a liberal initially.
I know, it’s basically impossible to be a politician in Turkey and not some kind of that.
If you look at most Sunni societies, their political ideology optimal point is simple - behead all the infidels, take all that belongs to Muslims, and that’d be all that Muslims claim, and institute Sharia law.
Young Turks and Kemal managed to transform that into a viable nationalist ideology. To be centered on Turks instead of Sunnis.
No secular regime in a Middle-Eastern Muslim country after them has managed to achieve that.
So - Erdogan’s Muslim part in ideology is about equating Muslim and Ottoman, not about returning to the initially described system.
Of course, it does not have the same goal. But it uses the same system.
I hear often Nazi this Nazi that? I think it has lost meaning. Can you explain what Nazi is? Vs Nazi from like WW2?
Some people wouldn’t know a Nazi if he was sending people to camps without trial, trying to outlaw the political opposition, fomenting a cult of personality, launching coups, oppressing the most vulnerable people, ratcheting up racist attacks, and threatening to attack Denmark.
Would Xi jinping be a Nazi?
He’s certainly a fascist autocrat
Great movie
The word ‘nazi’ has 100% lost its meaning.
Might as well just be saying “I don’t like this person or group of people because they disagree with me.”
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I guess we can start adding ‘nazi sympathizer’ to the list of terms that have lost their meaning.
Remember, you only have people like yourself to blame.
If you perform a Nazi salute, you’re a Nazi.
Musk performed TWO Nazi salutes on national television during a presidential inauguration.
Musk owns X.
Anymore questions? Do I need to illustrate with crayons?
Tim Waltz, one of the people vigorously calling Musk a Nazi for doing that action, is on video doing the exact same “salute”:
You’ll agree Tim Waltz is a Nazi, I assume?
Some would say a Roman salute 🫡 So anything else substantial? That can’t be interpreted as something else?
But anything else? that’s what I’m asking
not my job and this is not the place to waste my time providing a textbook-level of evidence of what you could have researched yourself if you were willing to be persuaded, but ask your History teacher if you’re seriously asking.
Then why did you reply to me?
I know what a Nazi is However people often misuse it with people they disagree with. Elon already had a lot of hate before that.
Can a Jew be a Nazi? Are Kanye a Nazi?
People with their beehive mentality, just echoes being what other people says. Can’t have simple discussions without people trying crucify you for asking questions.
If you can’t answer him that’s all you have to say.
Don’t do this rigamarole of “do your own research to justify why other people use their words.”
There’s plenty:
But this is the most I am willing to engage at the moment with an obvious troll
Italian here, Roman actually.
The Roman salute has not origin in ancient history.
It was formalized by Gabriele D’Annunzio, a sick fascist poet and writer, as a salute for his proto-fascist troops with which he occupied Fiume in modern-day Croatia, having been inspired this painting.
So yea, the roman salute is a fascist salute, invented by a fascist, for a fascist occurrence and to call it roman is a disservice to Rome and history in general.
As a serious answer, Musk is into modern variants of eugenics and some scary techno-authoritarian stuff he shares with Peter Theil and other Silicon Valley royalty.
Maybe he’s a techno-neonazi? That’s just semantics.
His alleged Nazi salute is indeed kind of a red herring. But “Nazi” is an reasonable enough descriptor for his beliefs.
Note how Jin, the Nazi Defender (not a Nazi themselves, they just defend people who are justifiably called Nazis) won’t respond to your answer.
One feature from Reddit I liked was the ability to tag people. Or maybe that was the reddit enhancement suite. But Jin would’ve earned himself a big red “Nazi Defender” tag.
you can also tag people on Lemmy, or at least I can. look for the About User menu then “Add Tag” or “Tag user” from their profile
That must be specific to whatever app you are using. It isn’t in the default ones.
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Hmm… I definitely don’t see an About user menu or Add Tag or Tag User on their profile. Maybe it has something to do with your lemmy browser.
Nah its much simpler label than that.
“Troll”
The topic doesn’t matter, it more about fishing for provocation. In this case I couldn’t help myself, but… you know, don’t feed the trolls.
His alleged Nazi salute is indeed kind of a red herring.
Tim Waltz did the exact same salute btw. The same Tim Waltz that says that Trump 100% did a nazi salute.
It is funny how the video clearly disproves your lying claim.
Here’s the full, non cropped video. It’s around the 1:51 mark.
It’s not around the 1:15 mark, it’s around the 2min mark. Same “salute” as Musk.
It really isn’t. It’s not even close. You said I had gold medal mental gymnastics, but you’ve just done another gold medal performance.
E: but thank you for pointing out my typo
His gesture is as much of a “Nazi salute” as Elon Musks. They’re either both Nazi salutes, or neither are. No other option.
Tim Waltz does not have eugenics-adjacent beliefs.
Also, I think you may have misinterpreted what “red herring” means.
I didn’t misinterpret that, I was simply pointing out that it wasn’t a nazi salute unless you also think Tim Waltz is a nazi.
Yes notice the crisp snappy way waltz did it? With fingers together, and twice so there is no way to doubt what it was? Ohhh wait sorry that was elons.
Yeah, elon’s not a nazi…
…he just wanted to send out a message of hope and support to nazis round the world by siegheiling twice on stage behind the seal of the United States…yeah…
hahahaha the mental gymnastics is gold medal worthy.
And you are bringing up a red herring (salutes) that doesn’t matter, because, well, I don’t know. But that’s the whole point of the saying.
One of these things is not like the other
I can appreciate this is reply, thanks 👍
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simple asked what the difference was and if there was anything substantial. Jews and other still use x or Tesla , people are being aggressive if you talk about it.
Free speech absolutism at work
Fascist speech absolutism at work
To Der Elon that’s the same thing.
It’s frustrating that we knew he was full of shit when he was saying it. And now the evidence is showing it is bullshit. And it’s like it doesn’t even matter.
They know they can do that sort of shit because they hold the power. They can blatantly and unconvincingly lie, their followers will regurgitate those lies, but neither of them really believe them. They are just posturing and having fun with words, just like fascists always have done.
Never believe that [fascists] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The [fascists] have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
https://x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1920426409358455081
“full of shit” = “standing up for free speech against governments that are trying to censor political opponents” ?
How is what you quoted “standing up” to anything? Am I missing something?
Am I missing something?
Yes. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you might have taken the quoted text and the link as being the same thing, when they are 2 separate things.
The X link is a post from X Global Government Affairs regarding this Turkey censorship situation. Some of the text from it:
X received an order to restrict access in Türkiye to the account of the now-detained Mayor of Istanbul. While we have followed Türkiye’s order regarding the account, we strongly disagree with the order and are challenging the order in court. In the spirit of full transparency, we are sharing the court order and our legal filing below.
The order was received from the Turkish Information and Communication Technologies Authority. These orders require X to block content in Türkiye that is available in the rest of the world.
Lack of compliance with these orders can lead to severe sanctions, including throttling of the entire platform in Türkiye. X complied with the court order while we challenge the order in court because we believe keeping the platform accessible in Türkiye is vital to supporting freedom of expression and access to information, particularly following natural disasters and other emergencies.
In the spirit of upholding due process, we carefully review all the requests under the local law. X has been and will continue to object to removal orders including government requests in courts to protect users when those requests do not align with principles of free expression, due process, or other local laws.
Basically the government threatened X to censor that account in Turkey or face severe punishment, like many censorship-happy governments have done lately. X complied but are taking them to court over their order, like they have done with all the other censorship-happy governments who have done the same thing.
BlueSky banned the politicians account there btw. They aren’t challenging the order in court.
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
Do you know how legal requests work?
Has Musk ever met a dictator he doesn’t like?
I think elon called Lula a dictator…and called the UK a dictatorship. That makes it even more obvious what he’s doing.
He also said Canada is ‘not a real country’ so…
Yes, but that’s not a dictator fetish (ok, it is, but it is a different one)… He knows dictators are a bad thing to be, because he calls the people he doesn’t like one. But he never calls out actual dictators, he actually makes deals with them and helps them. That says he likes and respects that model of governance, even if he knows it is deeply unpopular and deeply disrespects functioning democracies. And uses it to rouse his stans.
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
https://x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1920426409358455081
X complied with a legal order, and are challenging it in court just like they do every other time a government orders something like this to be done.
Put the pitchfork away.
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Xitler.
I thought they didn’t block political figures… Guess the muskrat just meant the figures he agrees with…
They comply with local laws and legal orders, like the one that forced them to do this:
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
X also are challenging the legal order in court: https://x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1920426409358455081
He should go to Bluesky and get blocked there as well.
Why would he get blocked there?
Bluesk
bluesky will block too.
He would get blocked there because BlueSky will comply with legal requests as well, because if they don’t they will face criminal charges and/or massive fines. BlueSky, being a platform that loves censorship, would not challenge the legal order in court like X are either.
Even fediverse instance owners would be forced to block his accounts under threat of fines and/or prosecution.
edit: BlueSky have already blocked his account lol
You can check here >> https://programming.dev/post/28713862
For some reason that post does show up for me, but I can’t vote on it, because “it’s been removed”. The crosspost offers a 400 error. Really weird.
Try this one: https://feddit.nl/post/32346719
That works… how strange.
Sometimes cross-instance links might not work as intended, no idea why.
I was gonna say. Dude better go to the actual fediverse if he wants a reliable platform that wont be instantly taken down again.
One more reason to not put all of your social media eggs in the same basket.
Memba when Elon Fuck said it would be a town square where everyone can speak out?
Only people that Stinky agrees with.
I saw the headline and for a split second got excited for X-Com news. Instead, I got xitter.
Honestly whomever owns the ip these days should do something about it. Also glad to see I’m not the only one hired wired for the game franchise
Jake Solomon left Firaxis in 2023. Don’t know if there is anything in the pipeline over there.
(And if there is anything, please let i be Apocalypse 2.0)Come on enforcer 2 or gtfo
A little context might have been nice, but then the musk hate and conspiracy theories would be harder to justify:
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
They’re also challenging the legal request in court: https://x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1920426409358455081
Yeah, he is forced to, but just to be clear, he will bitch for a month if this happens for thoroughly legitimate reasons in any country that is a functioning democracy e.g. UK, Brazil, Biden US, Germany, South Africa…
X is challenging the legal order in court btw:
https://x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1920426409358455081
Just like they have done and are doing in basically every country that makes legal demands like this.
Edit: the dogpiling in here is insane.
I post a link to a tweet where X spell out that they were FORCED by the Turkish government to ban the account, and that they are challenging the order in court because they don’t believe in this violation of free speech……and I get downvoted?
Oh thats funny because they refused to take down the Sydney stabbing videos, despite being told to for months. They gave us a half arsed geoblock for Australia while still allowing the offending material to circulate.
And Musk will routinely attack free speech, he does it all the time on X to users e.g. plane tracker guy
Edit: Ah you’re a rightist troll trying to pretend Musk isnt a Nazi, I see.
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Complying with the incumbent to silence opposition is a political decision. Erdoğan is known for silencing and jailing opposition and anyone with knowledge of Turkish politics is aware of this
Complying with the incumbent to silence opposition is a political decision.
No it’s not. Did you even read the linked X Global Affairs post?
Lack of compliance with these orders can lead to severe sanctions, including throttling of the entire platform in Türkiye. X complied with the court order while we challenge the order in court because we believe keeping the platform accessible in Türkiye is vital to supporting freedom of expression and access to information, particularly following natural disasters and other emergencies.
It’s not a political decision, it’s a legal one. If they don’t comply then the entire site can legally be banned from the entire country, for example.
Yes I read that and hold that this decision is still highly political. Technically X can choose to simply not exist in Turkey. Obviously they won’t do this and Erdogan knows this, profit is king. This doesn’t change the fact that they are choosing to cow to threats by a dictator. Legal decisions are political and have political implications. Who do you think wrote those laws?
So you think that instead of complying while fighting the legal order and being able to tell users that what is happening, you think that they should pull the entire site from the country?
They aren’t “choosing to bow to threats by a dictator” - they are following the law, and fighting the legal order through the courts.
Come on mate lol. They’re doing the absolute most user and free speech friendly thing they can possibly do given the situation.
Question - what would you have done in this situation if you owned and ran X?
I would never stoop so low as to exploit the labor of others
What?
I am well aware it isn’t a logical business decision, I just don’t care
No one on X should expect anything better
People on X expected what is actually happening, not what people in here think is happening (and hope it is).
- The Turkish government ordered a legal request to ban the opposition leaders account in Turkey.
- X complied with the legal request, as there are huge penalties for not complying
- X immediately started the process to challenge the legal request in court
This is what most people on X expect, which is to fight for free speech on X.
If they’re still on Xitter it means they approve of this
