There’s a Midwest focused instance and I wouldn’t call that division. They’re not trying to exclude East and west coasters. They don’t hate southerners. It’s just similar people gathering to talk about the things they have in common, which in this instance are midwesterner things. It’s the same for women. It’d be nice to have a place to talk about things that women have in common and experience that men don’t. If it was anything like the 2XChromosomes subreddit then men wouldn’t be banned, and plenty of men comment, it’s just that the topic of conversation focuses on women and women’s experiences. Having a place for people, especially women, to talk about women’s issues and experiences isn’t anymore divisive than having a midwestern instance or a European instance. And it would be a good place for men to look into to learn more about what life is like as a woman. If men feel they don’t have a place to talk about men’s problems, then they should also make an instance specifically for talking about men’s experiences
Women need a space to communicate with other women, men can’t completely understand the unique experience, challenges and culture women have within literally every culture and sometimes we need only those who understand to listen. Men, be an ally to women and shut up, let them have a safe space without your intrusion.
It’s the sexist comments, boomer humor, male-centric views, the mansplaining, the chauvinism, the micro-aggressions, lack of empathy from a lack of perspective, the oversimplification without nuance, etc. All that generally makes women uncomfortable and sometimes it’s a bit much. Sometimes you want to forget those exist and focus on what matters to you with like-minded people.
It’s the same for us gay folks. I know I can’t just bring up whatever gay topic in a straight group where not everyone can relate, offer their first hand experience, or might find it weird because it’s not part of their lives.
Trying to concentrate similar people to discuss common topics is, at the very worts, a constructive division.
You say minimizing, I say maximizing. If you don’t have strong and solid arguments you can’t ask for safe places, what the hell is a safe place to start with…
This is not about arguments, bro. Or which ones do you mean? And safe spaces are meant to be non-confrontational. You can disagree, but you do it respectfully, without smug attitudes.
I can’t tell if your question is in good faith or not because of how awkwardly it’s worded, but if you’re asking how women can feel uncomfortable online, you’re obviously not a woman, so enjoy that I guess.
There are a lot of things you probably aren’t even aware of that are normal for women, I would really encourage you to broaden your social sphere and make friends of other genders and backgrounds and listen to what other people deal with.
You probably don’t even know how much harassment and threats you would face just being a woman online, it’s not exaggerated, there are a LOT of people who really enjoy making women feel unsafe, it’s a game to them. Most girls I know hide their identities online and pretend to be men. Imagine not being able to express yourself freely even on the internet because you don’t want to feel unsafe or hated.
You probably don’t even know how much harassment and threats you would face just being a woman online
For example? tbh I don’t even put pictures of myself on the internet, I don’t like that kind of social interaction. I am trying to understand but it’s pretty hard. Harrassment like what, threats like what? Feel unsafe in what sense? I am not getting solid examples I can’t understand.
So upon reflecting on their comment, at first being against it.
It made me reflect, it’s just a dumb idea. How would it moderate? For women implies that is the sole audience. Would you need ID, picture or purely taking their word? Power structure begins to form in all but the last. Trans people? Nonbinary afab?
Just the other day I saw a post on reddit about some person that is nonbinary going to a women outdoors event. They got harassed for being non-binary while being afab. Everyone in the comments(event’s subreddit) talked about why go if you don’t even call yourself a woman or identify with it. Theyre just throwing a fit, yadayadayada.
Just because some person wanted to go outdoors in a safe space with a friend. Where would they go? Spaces for women are rare, spaces for nonbinaries? Nonexistent. Then again, everyone has the mentality provide for mine and not theirs. I hope if alien life finds us, they have evolved past such rudimentary concepts. The singularity consumes us in all except compassion.
Division is made when you divide the people. I understand at least in person where men can overpower women, safety is a concern. Online spaces lessen this dynamic heavily. Which leaves you with the person, and not the gender. Gender only plays into the persons perspective and being. (Raising, rituals, routines, and quality of life)
Not against the idea of a women only online forum. Just in general already against the massive structural issues with Lemmy. It is a group of people who like to constantly divide, along with all the linux dweebs in here, because they’d rather splinter than unite through meticulous effort.
I haven’t written anything about excluding other genders. It’s only about a women centric place with additional moderation protection and administration and moderation by women (and yes, these can also be trans women or even men admins and mods if the group decides so).
But why excluding men or anybody else from participating, as long as they stay on topic?
Division is made when you divide the people.
Having a space for women by women isn’t division. It’s about creating a safe space.
Just in general already against the massive structural issues with Lemmy
What structural issues?
It is a group of people who like to constantly divide
Isn’t this normal human behavior? Still doesn’t mean that people are enemies because of splitting into different groups.
Notice how your first paragraph is so unsure and still says nothing new. You just explained the original post and my discourse.
What danger do women face online that men do not? I have gotten sexually harassed, groomed, exploited, and other things online by men too. Why am I not protected for just being a man?
It’s almost like gender matters little with intent of the being.
It is normal if you never evolved beyond it, however the whole point of unity is to overcome the simple walls that exist. The differences in physical manifestation are only an extent of your being.
All beings are capable, the capacity is only how far you dare travel from your own path.
Ah give me a break. Can’t there be something that is designed specifically for women without you feeling excluded? Nobody says that you aren’t allowed to participate.
Why are you making it personal about me? I don’t give a damn what you do. Did you see the part of my last comment where I said that I can understand why women would want it?
You asked a question, I provided an answer. It is inherently divisive by definition, and that’s completely fine. Pull your head out.
“Are there any Lemmy communities FOR rape survivors and by rape survivors?”
And someone says “Well why do you want to create division? Shouldn’t rapists also have a chance to share their side?”
I’m not saying this is a realistic “turn the tables” but neither is yours. I will explain why.
Right now, despite whatever stupid fucking propaganda a select few assholes are hung up on, there are no systemic attacks happening on white people just for being white. At least none of any value or meaning. No, fringe groups don’t count because they don’t have power and never will have power in this system. However there ARE in fact many white-nationalist groups that ARE gaining power and voice, and attempting to return to an old hegemonic ideal of race. This isn’t a “that’s not fair!” issue, this is an issue about our very future as a diverse species sharing a world together.
I don’t think there should be ANY exclusionary spaces, but I do think there should be well-moderated spaces for people of similar ideas or demographics to share thoughts without being attacked for their identity. There should be spaces where people know they will be ejected for trying to sabotage the conversations.
Division and segregation hurts all of us, and if we want to fight it, we have to fight the fuckers who drive people to want to escape, we have to fight the trolls and monsters and bullies and nazis who make people feel afraid. Those are the ones trying to divide us, and those are the ones we shouldn’t be giving voice to.
White people are just frustrated equality means feeling burdens, pains, and other things equally. By all carrying a little, you can carry a whole lot. However, I’ve learned it comes from a place of comfort. They think the world around them is sound, that rules exist and structure permeates. They are but babies to reality. Even the christians among them do not understand the misery and suffering the bible speaks of.
Those that propagate these lies, they witness not injustices but a system they can exploit. They are the demons that keep us awake at night and fearing our safety.
Our species has a lot more vulnerabilities in our minds and hearts than we really want to admit to even ourselves… but there are wicked people who do know about them, and they will try everything to pry those vulnerabilities open and make us feel things so our brains latch onto stories to explain those feelings.
We have to be constantly wary of anyone who says things that make us feel powerful emotions, no matter who or where, this our future battleground. The next world-war will be waged internally.
It makes me happy that you too fear. It feels like maybe I am not alone in carrying all this pain, that it is worth continuing. That I feel the burden for people who truly want to see love and kindness proliferate.
Why you want to create division?
There’s a Midwest focused instance and I wouldn’t call that division. They’re not trying to exclude East and west coasters. They don’t hate southerners. It’s just similar people gathering to talk about the things they have in common, which in this instance are midwesterner things. It’s the same for women. It’d be nice to have a place to talk about things that women have in common and experience that men don’t. If it was anything like the 2XChromosomes subreddit then men wouldn’t be banned, and plenty of men comment, it’s just that the topic of conversation focuses on women and women’s experiences. Having a place for people, especially women, to talk about women’s issues and experiences isn’t anymore divisive than having a midwestern instance or a European instance. And it would be a good place for men to look into to learn more about what life is like as a woman. If men feel they don’t have a place to talk about men’s problems, then they should also make an instance specifically for talking about men’s experiences
Women need a space to communicate with other women, men can’t completely understand the unique experience, challenges and culture women have within literally every culture and sometimes we need only those who understand to listen. Men, be an ally to women and shut up, let them have a safe space without your intrusion.
Ask the people who deliberately work to make shared spaces uncomfortable for particular groups of people.
What does that even mean? What kind of spaces and how you are supposed to be uncomfortable?
It’s the sexist comments, boomer humor, male-centric views, the mansplaining, the chauvinism, the micro-aggressions, lack of empathy from a lack of perspective, the oversimplification without nuance, etc. All that generally makes women uncomfortable and sometimes it’s a bit much. Sometimes you want to forget those exist and focus on what matters to you with like-minded people.
It’s the same for us gay folks. I know I can’t just bring up whatever gay topic in a straight group where not everyone can relate, offer their first hand experience, or might find it weird because it’s not part of their lives.
Trying to concentrate similar people to discuss common topics is, at the very worts, a constructive division.
You say minimizing, I say maximizing. If you don’t have strong and solid arguments you can’t ask for safe places, what the hell is a safe place to start with…
This is not about arguments, bro. Or which ones do you mean? And safe spaces are meant to be non-confrontational. You can disagree, but you do it respectfully, without smug attitudes.
I can’t tell if your question is in good faith or not because of how awkwardly it’s worded, but if you’re asking how women can feel uncomfortable online, you’re obviously not a woman, so enjoy that I guess.
I can’t imagine and no one explains. If my words are weird, yours are buzzing my brain also…
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Have you ever really talked to women who use online spaces a lot? Like a real conversation, face-to-face or in person. Serious question.
Just with I sleep with and occasionally work or study partners. Maybe on online games but it’s hardly ever…
There are a lot of things you probably aren’t even aware of that are normal for women, I would really encourage you to broaden your social sphere and make friends of other genders and backgrounds and listen to what other people deal with.
You probably don’t even know how much harassment and threats you would face just being a woman online, it’s not exaggerated, there are a LOT of people who really enjoy making women feel unsafe, it’s a game to them. Most girls I know hide their identities online and pretend to be men. Imagine not being able to express yourself freely even on the internet because you don’t want to feel unsafe or hated.
For example? tbh I don’t even put pictures of myself on the internet, I don’t like that kind of social interaction. I am trying to understand but it’s pretty hard. Harrassment like what, threats like what? Feel unsafe in what sense? I am not getting solid examples I can’t understand.
It’s not division. It’s federation, what the Fediverse is for.
Well, there are Feds that ban other Feds, I mean you are free to do so, but it’s division…
Lol you’re a dumbass.
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Why would this be division?
So upon reflecting on their comment, at first being against it.
It made me reflect, it’s just a dumb idea. How would it moderate? For women implies that is the sole audience. Would you need ID, picture or purely taking their word? Power structure begins to form in all but the last. Trans people? Nonbinary afab?
Just the other day I saw a post on reddit about some person that is nonbinary going to a women outdoors event. They got harassed for being non-binary while being afab. Everyone in the comments(event’s subreddit) talked about why go if you don’t even call yourself a woman or identify with it. Theyre just throwing a fit, yadayadayada.
Just because some person wanted to go outdoors in a safe space with a friend. Where would they go? Spaces for women are rare, spaces for nonbinaries? Nonexistent. Then again, everyone has the mentality provide for mine and not theirs. I hope if alien life finds us, they have evolved past such rudimentary concepts. The singularity consumes us in all except compassion.
Division is made when you divide the people. I understand at least in person where men can overpower women, safety is a concern. Online spaces lessen this dynamic heavily. Which leaves you with the person, and not the gender. Gender only plays into the persons perspective and being. (Raising, rituals, routines, and quality of life)
Not against the idea of a women only online forum. Just in general already against the massive structural issues with Lemmy. It is a group of people who like to constantly divide, along with all the linux dweebs in here, because they’d rather splinter than unite through meticulous effort.
I haven’t written anything about excluding other genders. It’s only about a women centric place with additional moderation protection and administration and moderation by women (and yes, these can also be trans women or even men admins and mods if the group decides so).
But why excluding men or anybody else from participating, as long as they stay on topic?
Having a space for women by women isn’t division. It’s about creating a safe space.
What structural issues?
Isn’t this normal human behavior? Still doesn’t mean that people are enemies because of splitting into different groups.
Notice how your first paragraph is so unsure and still says nothing new. You just explained the original post and my discourse.
What danger do women face online that men do not? I have gotten sexually harassed, groomed, exploited, and other things online by men too. Why am I not protected for just being a man?
It’s almost like gender matters little with intent of the being.
It is normal if you never evolved beyond it, however the whole point of unity is to overcome the simple walls that exist. The differences in physical manifestation are only an extent of your being.
All beings are capable, the capacity is only how far you dare travel from your own path.
Oh, read the title.
“Are there any Lemmy/Mbin instances by women for women?”
Where is the division?
Where’s the division? It starts and ends with the “…for women” part.
By women, sure that’s not divisive at all but if something is being set up specifically for one gender it’s inherently divisive.
Don’t get me wrong, I understand why women would want it, but at the same time describing it as non-divisive doesn’t work.
Ah give me a break. Can’t there be something that is designed specifically for women without you feeling excluded? Nobody says that you aren’t allowed to participate.
Why are you making it personal about me? I don’t give a damn what you do. Did you see the part of my last comment where I said that I can understand why women would want it?
You asked a question, I provided an answer. It is inherently divisive by definition, and that’s completely fine. Pull your head out.
lol just change it for other noun
You see the problem here?
Sounds racist. You see the problem?
So you think I’m white? Lol…
Okay now lets change it again.
“Are there any Lemmy communities FOR rape survivors and by rape survivors?”
And someone says “Well why do you want to create division? Shouldn’t rapists also have a chance to share their side?”
I’m not saying this is a realistic “turn the tables” but neither is yours. I will explain why.
Right now, despite whatever stupid fucking propaganda a select few assholes are hung up on, there are no systemic attacks happening on white people just for being white. At least none of any value or meaning. No, fringe groups don’t count because they don’t have power and never will have power in this system. However there ARE in fact many white-nationalist groups that ARE gaining power and voice, and attempting to return to an old hegemonic ideal of race. This isn’t a “that’s not fair!” issue, this is an issue about our very future as a diverse species sharing a world together.
I don’t think there should be ANY exclusionary spaces, but I do think there should be well-moderated spaces for people of similar ideas or demographics to share thoughts without being attacked for their identity. There should be spaces where people know they will be ejected for trying to sabotage the conversations.
Division and segregation hurts all of us, and if we want to fight it, we have to fight the fuckers who drive people to want to escape, we have to fight the trolls and monsters and bullies and nazis who make people feel afraid. Those are the ones trying to divide us, and those are the ones we shouldn’t be giving voice to.
I agree up to a certain point. You say moderation I say censorship.
I completely agree with you.
White people are just frustrated equality means feeling burdens, pains, and other things equally. By all carrying a little, you can carry a whole lot. However, I’ve learned it comes from a place of comfort. They think the world around them is sound, that rules exist and structure permeates. They are but babies to reality. Even the christians among them do not understand the misery and suffering the bible speaks of.
Those that propagate these lies, they witness not injustices but a system they can exploit. They are the demons that keep us awake at night and fearing our safety.
Our species has a lot more vulnerabilities in our minds and hearts than we really want to admit to even ourselves… but there are wicked people who do know about them, and they will try everything to pry those vulnerabilities open and make us feel things so our brains latch onto stories to explain those feelings.
We have to be constantly wary of anyone who says things that make us feel powerful emotions, no matter who or where, this our future battleground. The next world-war will be waged internally.
(And with missiles too of course.)
It makes me happy that you too fear. It feels like maybe I am not alone in carrying all this pain, that it is worth continuing. That I feel the burden for people who truly want to see love and kindness proliferate.