I would really rather that these were actual examples, and not conspiracy theories. We all have our own unsubstantiated ideas about what shadowy no-gooders are doing, but I’d rather hear about things that are actually happening.

  • EonNShadow@pawb.social
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    11 months ago

    Anyone that says J6 was a “peaceful protest” that “got out of hand”

    We all saw the footage of that day. There were gallows and calls to hang a sitting vice president.

    It was an insurrection, fomented and encouraged by Donald Trump’s speech and actions leading up to that day. Plain and simple.

    The right-wingers who say it wasn’t as serious as it was are gaslighting their base.

    Edit: Victims of gaslighting in my replies

    • ∟⊔⊤∦∣≶@lemmy.nz
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      11 months ago

      Sounds exactly like CNN’s headline “fiery but mostly peaceful protests after police shooting” after the George Floyd protests where like, 30 people died.

      • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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        11 months ago

        Across the country? Damn that’s like less than a person per major city and I saw how brutally the police attacked protestors. If it hadn’t been mostly peaceful it’d’ve been in the hundreds dead.

        • ∟⊔⊤∦∣≶@lemmy.nz
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          11 months ago

          I get your /s but I don’t think anyone should be dying in a protest, regardless of how small that number is relatively speaking.

      • hedgehog@ttrpg.network
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        11 months ago

        Do you not think it’s relevant to point out that:

        • Only 3.7% of the protests involved vandalism or property damage
        • Only 2.3% of the protests involved any sort of violence (excluding vandalism or property damage)
        • Much of the violence was directed against the BLM protesters
        • Much of the violence was begun or escalated by police (who are supposed to be trained to de-escalate)
        • Much of the property damage and property damage was not linked to protesters

        If 5% of the people involved at violent BLM protests were violent and if the numbers above reflected only protester initiated violence, then that would mean roughly 0.12% of BLM protesters (or 1 in a thousand) were violent. But since, as we know, most of the violence was directed against them, that number is probably more like 0.05%, or 5 in 10,000. Obviously that number would be much worse for the actual instigators of most of the violence (police and far-right Trump supporters).

        Main source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/16/this-summers-black-lives-matter-protesters-were-overwhelming-peaceful-our-research-finds/

        Also weird that you say “like 30 people” died when it was more like 10:

        • 8 BLM protesters
        • 1 far-right, pro-Trump protester, who was shot by a self-identified anti-fascist protester who said he had been acting in self-defense
        • the above anti-fascist protester, who was shot by police

        Yes, there were like 25 deaths related to political unrest in 2020, but most of those were not at BLM protests. Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled

        But hey, keep telling yourself that an active, intentionally orchestrated attempt by Trump and his supporters to violently overturn the results of our Presidential election was “basically the same thing lol” as a bunch of people who were protesting police violence and racism.

        • ∟⊔⊤∦∣≶@lemmy.nz
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          11 months ago

          an active, intentionally orchestrated attempt by Trump and his supporters to violently overturn the results of our Presidential election was “basically the same thing lol” as a bunch of people who were protesting police violence and racism.

          Yes, that’s exactly what I said. -_-