Dear @firefox : Please stop saving images as webp when I drag them out of the browser. Forever stop that. Even if they are webp originally, just give me a setting to auto-convert them to JPEG. When I get a webp file the first thing I have to do is convert it manually if I’m going to do *anything* with it.
@MisterMoo @firefox Echoing this!!! Stop it with webp entirely!!! NONE of the applications I use accept webp as input where images need to be uploaded! Not even Discord!
It’s not really Firefox’s task or problem to convert files from one format to the other, why would it be?
Why is it that the url ends in .JPG but when I right click and save image I can only save it as a .webp?
Some CDNs like Akamai and Cloudflare have options to optimize images. We use the Akamai one where I work. It means our creative teams, customers, etc. don’t need to worry too much about whether an image is properly optimized when they upload it. Akamai will, behind the scenes optimize the quality, color palette, and image type (jpg, web, png, etc) and create a number of different versions of the images. Then when a client requests the image Akamai looks at the client device (mobile vs desktop, screen resolution, browser version, etc) and serves the copy of the image that’s best optimized for that device.
So even if the URL ends with .jpg you might be sent a .webp. If you use the browsers developer tool to inspect the response headers you’ll likely see the Content-Type header says it’s .webp as well.
Because the URL is lying, and the image is not a jpg.
What are you using that can’t handle webp by now?
Facebook Messenger on android. I hate messenger but that’s where my Luddite family hangs out. Often have to convert the webp meme I downloaded from lemmy first.
Ouch. Keep up, meta.
When I save an image, I want the exact same binary 1:1, not a recompressed one or whatever, I want the original picture, be it jpeg/png/webp, every graphics program can open webp, nothing wrong with it.
At least if you hate webp, convert them to png, but not jpeg…
webp is a great format though…
Too bad so many platforms are not compatible with it. I am constantly having to convert the image type to post the image.
I am constantly having to convert the image type to post the image.
Try changing the file extension. Often the extension is checked but not if the file format matches the extension. All browsers read WebP just fine.
thats on the platforms not the format
Never had a problem on Linux
Exactly, great quality and small file sizes. Perfect to reduce web bloat, or loading times when using things like FoundryVTT
Not really. It is better than shitty JPEG encoders but not really much better than good ones. It’s lossless was fairly good but still barely worth it. Really we should chuck it for JPEG XL but Google is strong-arming it for unknown reasons.
Google is strong-arming it for unknown reasons.
lol. Yeah it’s a mystery.
jpegxl should be the successor, granted - but that doesn’t make webp any less good
I prefer PNG because of losless-nes (is that right?). If it’s jpeg, or webp originally, i don’t mind getting the image in that format. But converting/recompression is bad.
It should be spelt “losslessness”. “lossless” is an adjective and when you add “-ness” to an adjective it becomes a noun.
I prefer PNG because it losslessly compresses raster images.
I prefer PNG because it uses a lossless algorithm.
I prefer PNG because I love losslessness.
After turning the word into a noun though, you’ll need to know how to turn it back into an adjective. We use “-less” to turn the noun into an adjective.
I prefer PNG because it losslessnesslessly compresses raster images.
I prefer PNG because it uses a losslessnessless algorithm.
I prefer PNG because I love losslessnesslessness.
WebP images are not bad. Not great, but not bad. The lossless mode is quite good. It is on the software you use to support WebP.
So nothing before 2020, got it. Smh
webp is 13 years old. I’ve only heard of Apple not supporting it.
I see others mention some chat apps, weird but ok.
Don’t know where you heard that but it’s wrong.
Which part, I know Safari added support recently but I’m not sure about other components.
Safari, photos’s, finder, preview etc, etc. Across iOS and OS X, since at least last year.
Excellent news :)
So nothing before 2020, got it. Smh
Windows supports WebP. Software that uses Windows APIs to read image files has no problem reading those even if it’s from before 2020. I forgot which application it was but in one case changing the file extension was enough for me.
There is an addon to request jpeg. But converting lossy…why?
Shouldn’t we strive for webp compatibility in more applications so it can be viewed readily and easily?
I mean Gwenview, GIMP and tons of other apps support it. I dont know an app that doesnt support it actually
I had issues with Libreoffice and Inkscape yesterday. Had to open it in paint.net first, and save it as jpeg.
Hm, not sure if Inkscape is meant for that?
Edit: never mind, it has a purpose and should actually support webp
You should be able to import raster images in Inkscape for tracing or reference purposes
I don’t care if it was meant for it, it is the best tool I’ve found so far for what I want to do: put text over an image to create a custom gift certificate.
It works perfectly for what I want to do with it, except it doesn’t understand .webp. It seemed like it is implemented, but didn’t work. It does take .jpg.
lost mastodon user
Did they intend to tag an official Firefox account or something? I’m not sure how this works on the Mastadon side of things.
jxl can’t come fast enough.
Why? PNG is good enough today, so everything moving to jxl isn’t particularly urgent for me. AVIF is probably a better option in terms of platform support vs jxl.
But yeah, when it’s ubiquitous, it’ll be cool I guess.
PNG is good only because it’s widely supported. It only has 8bit per channel, no support for arbitrary channels, has subpar reading and writing performance. For lossless purposes I suggest TIFF, for packing data OpenEXR is best and JPEG-XL is very promising but has limited support right now
Here is an article (centered on a film use case) https://www.provideocoalition.com/fight-of-the-file-formats-pngs-or-exrs/
Compatibility is really important, which is what this post is all about. In a discussion about automatic conversion, PNG should be on the table.
Implicitly converting anything anywhere is always a bad idea, especially when it can’t be done in a lossless way.
Lossless webp to lossless JXL
If you hate webp because you can’t easily view it, let me recommend ImageGlass as a replacement image viewer for Windows (maybe Linux too, I forget).
Okay all the hate about webp or jpg aside: This should at most be an add-on not a core FF feature. And it also is: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/save-webp-as-png-or-jpeg/
Sounds more like a problem with their intended usage pipeline, like an image viewer or word processing app problem.
This post is why we can’t have nice things
