It’s been invaded precisely because the US refused to publicly state that Ukraine would not joined NATO and wanted to maintain ambiguity on the matter while arming Ukraine. Nice of you to try and twist that around though. Gold star for mental gymnastics.
Nope, US clearly said no to NATO for them already in 2009, much before the Russian invasions.
Dude, this stuff you’re telling is at least three yo. It’s been largely debunked.
All the ex Warsaw hate Russia even if they’ve slavic roots in common like Poland or Ukraine, just take a look on what that people state and do. This should tell you much about how much this people want to avoid Moscow’s influence.
Nato is a defensive org, so it’s absolutely not important for Russia if Ukraine joining that, unless Russia wants to conquer Ulraine, which is the only reason why they do not want thta to happen.
Putin wanted to invade Ukraine, and they did it. They don’t want to have democracy close to their border, caise you know…people don’t like to live in a dictatoriship.
NATO is not a offensive org, it has continuously invaded countries throughout its deplorable existence. The fact that anybody could claim it’s defensive is beyond hilarious.
Can’t believe you Russians are so desperate to spam propaganda even on Lemmy 😂. You guys are like an infection for the globe.
Anyway.
All this NATO stuff is just bs. West did everything possible to appease Russia, they refuse to let Ukraina in to do not piss off Moscow and even gave an office to Russian in the NATO headquarter! I mean, what should they do? Give Putin a bj?
It didn’t work simply cause Putin is a psycho narcisist and he just want everything his bloody way. He told clearly he wants the old Warsaw under his feet, so why all this stupid talks about Nato membership?
Does Ukraine belongs Russia? No.
Does Ukraine wants to belongs Russia? No.
Should Putin go f**k himself? Yes.
The only one spreading propaganda here is you. The whole war was about Ukraine joining NATO, that’s just the basic fact of the situation. You can keep repeating your bullshit till you’re blue in the face, but it’s not going to change reality.
Meanwhile, the west are the ones who overthrew the legitimate government in Ukraine and installed the current fascist regime. And all you fascists can go fuck yourselves. You’re not fooling anybody.
After three years in Ukraine, it’s obvious to anybody with a minimally functional brain that Russia is not going to be able to invade Europe. However, what Russia will absolutely do is exploit the political instability in Europe caused by massive austerity needed to massively ramp up defense. Why invade the idiots when it’s far cheaper to do political capture.
What is also obvious to anybody with a minimally functional brain is that Russia would invade if they thought they could. Therefore ramping up defence is a good idea to dissuade Russia from thinking it’s a good idea. Even with that deterrence, those not covered by this (Moldova, Georgia, as mentioned) are still vulnerable.
The opposite is obvious actually because Russia has a huge land area with a low population. Trading people for more territory would make absolutely no sense for Russia. Maybe time to check the functioning of that brain of yours, cause it’s clearly not firing on all cylinders.
All the ex Warsaw begged for a membership, it wasn’t the USA teasing them.
And in fact US denied Ukraine a NATO membership, and funnily it’s been invaded.
It’s been invaded precisely because the US refused to publicly state that Ukraine would not joined NATO and wanted to maintain ambiguity on the matter while arming Ukraine. Nice of you to try and twist that around though. Gold star for mental gymnastics.
Nope, US clearly said no to NATO for them already in 2009, much before the Russian invasions.
Dude, this stuff you’re telling is at least three yo. It’s been largely debunked.
All the ex Warsaw hate Russia even if they’ve slavic roots in common like Poland or Ukraine, just take a look on what that people state and do. This should tell you much about how much this people want to avoid Moscow’s influence.
No, the US never took NATO off the table. At least try to lie about something that’s not demonstrably false.
Nato is a defensive org, so it’s absolutely not important for Russia if Ukraine joining that, unless Russia wants to conquer Ulraine, which is the only reason why they do not want thta to happen.
Putin wanted to invade Ukraine, and they did it. They don’t want to have democracy close to their border, caise you know…people don’t like to live in a dictatoriship.
NATO is not a offensive org, it has continuously invaded countries throughout its deplorable existence. The fact that anybody could claim it’s defensive is beyond hilarious.
It’s the moment you took Chomsky that I understood you don’t have hope 😂
You appear to be under the delusion that I care about an opinion of an utter ignoramus.
Can’t believe you Russians are so desperate to spam propaganda even on Lemmy 😂. You guys are like an infection for the globe.
Anyway.
All this NATO stuff is just bs. West did everything possible to appease Russia, they refuse to let Ukraina in to do not piss off Moscow and even gave an office to Russian in the NATO headquarter! I mean, what should they do? Give Putin a bj?
It didn’t work simply cause Putin is a psycho narcisist and he just want everything his bloody way. He told clearly he wants the old Warsaw under his feet, so why all this stupid talks about Nato membership?
Does Ukraine belongs Russia? No. Does Ukraine wants to belongs Russia? No. Should Putin go f**k himself? Yes.
End of the story.
The only one spreading propaganda here is you. The whole war was about Ukraine joining NATO, that’s just the basic fact of the situation. You can keep repeating your bullshit till you’re blue in the face, but it’s not going to change reality.
Meanwhile, the west are the ones who overthrew the legitimate government in Ukraine and installed the current fascist regime. And all you fascists can go fuck yourselves. You’re not fooling anybody.
End of story.
I wonder what the mental gymnastics will be if/when Russia invades non-NATO countries like Moldova and Georgia.
Come back to me when any of your deranged fantasies actually come true and then we’ll talk.
Yes, total fantasy. They would never do such a thing.
After three years in Ukraine, it’s obvious to anybody with a minimally functional brain that Russia is not going to be able to invade Europe. However, what Russia will absolutely do is exploit the political instability in Europe caused by massive austerity needed to massively ramp up defense. Why invade the idiots when it’s far cheaper to do political capture.
What is also obvious to anybody with a minimally functional brain is that Russia would invade if they thought they could. Therefore ramping up defence is a good idea to dissuade Russia from thinking it’s a good idea. Even with that deterrence, those not covered by this (Moldova, Georgia, as mentioned) are still vulnerable.
The opposite is obvious actually because Russia has a huge land area with a low population. Trading people for more territory would make absolutely no sense for Russia. Maybe time to check the functioning of that brain of yours, cause it’s clearly not firing on all cylinders.