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thats crazy. This further bubblefication of social media is gonna be a real problem soon.
Oh look, another spike in lemmy registrations.
yay this time I came back to lemmy before it was cool.
It’s funny because Reddit admins decide the most random bullshit is violent content. I’ve seen posts [removed by reddit] for hypothetically asking about using violence in a self defense situation.
Any potential of violence being used in any way against the parasite class will get a ban… They don’t want people entertaining the idea in any way…
Esp after parasite CEO got deny the claim to life.
All of their moves were very much “okay on the surface this seems normal, but what are you actually trying to do”. Then you start seeing what you are pointing out. Who decides what is violent? When does it expand past violent?
“You will not wrongthink.”
-Spez, gargled out around Musk’s cock and balls
Is this to deter amplifying any organization for the second u.s. revolution?
The Reddit ecosystem relies on engaged users to downvote bad content and report potentially violative content.
I love how they refer to their corporate profit method as the “Reddit Ecosystem”
They make it sound like this is the universally owned and managed ecosystem that we all are responsible for maintaining and we all equally benefit from. The corporate overlords decide what they want the ecosystems to be, the rules, the content, the algorithm… All to benefit their stock prices and bonuses.
But all of a sudden it’s the community’s responsibility for maintaining THEIR rules for THEIR profit? How about fuck you Reddit.
I know this doesn’t affect me as I am plenty happy being on Lemmy, but the audacity still pisses me off.
Just officially moved over from Reddit and while Lemmy is a tad more complicated to learn. It’s nothing an hour couldn’t fix.
This just was my personal tipping point and I hope others follow suit. I’m sad because I enjoyed the humorous content, individuals pets, and musical discussions. But after being told I need to watch what I upvote I couldn’t harbor the idea that free and open discussions are welcomed there.
I got banned on Reddit for calling out Americans for their bullshit with tariffs and the whole 51st state schtick. Fuck them.
Well, those things you live about Reddit have only been getting better on Lemmy as time goes on.
afaict Lemmy stayed ‘pretty good’ after the last reddit migration, maybe this one will be enough to fuel a lot of the niche communities that I think are missing here.
It’s happening. I mentioned in another thread that there’s a good severance community that helps me feel like I don’t need Reddit for a show for the first time.
I’m hoping it grows, I know I’m seeing mixed reactions to it but I understand that it’s hard for people to come out of their comfort zones. I’m just happy that the engagement here isn’t full of bots lol.
So if you upvote Israeli airstrikes do you reckon theyll let that slide, but if you upvote a post about cyber trucks being vandalised then suddenly your FBI agent abseiling down your house?
I’m not sure about your impressions from this wave of Reddit refugees but I think we’re getting worst of the worst right now because the rule that Reddit is applying makes sense, despite Reddit being shit overall. Reddit upvotes aren’t public which makes people behave like a mob and now that they’re being punished for promoting rule-breaking content these people want a new outlet. Did anyone tell them Lemmy votes are public like everything else on ActivityPub?
Eh, I don’t think reddit’s idea of “bad content” isn’t open to corruption and misuse, nor do I think a blanket “don’t upvote bad content” is going to do anything for the site except make it so people are more wary about upvoting anything that might be “bad,” like, eventually, calls for protest, calls for justice, calls for things like the rule of law to be followed for traitors.
I had a misfortune of posting this piece of news to technology community on Lemmy.world and my inbox is hammered with replies from accounts created on the same day - they do not instil me with confidence. Plenty of people brag that they got banned for calls for political assassinations.
Reddit people are too incompetent to be truly evil like Meta is. I’m sure they’re mostly concerned about remaining profitable hence some cautious moves to monetise porn subreddits over the last 2 years.
What Reddit believes to be “bad content” has historically been a little dubious. So I can understand people are apprehensive about this.
A little dubious
I once got permabanned for sharing that the Chinese eat eggs boiled in the pee of young boys.
This is really really disgusting, thanks for sharing; i know who to send this information for some laughs.
I don’t think it’s a bannable offense tho
What Reddit believes to be bad content is often calls for violence or homophobia too. What they’re trying to fix now is that subreddits could be easily taken over by a brigade that could change the culture of the place very quickly and mods are powerless to stop it because it’s a whack-a-mole when votes are not public. That’s how Polish national subreddit went to utter shite for example, despite being one of the most libleft-leaning places back in the day. The damage was irreversible unfortunately.
Reddit let trumps subreddit stay up for years, not to mention all the other vile and bigoted places
I do not put much faith in that reddit actually cares about homophobia
And calls for violence has always been selective. Has reddit ever banned anyone for supporting a state to kill people? For example, supporting death penalty, supporting cops shooting people, supporting Ukraine/Russia to kill Russians/Ukrainians, or supporting Israel killing Palestinians?
The whole subject of “calls for violence” has always been biased, because we see state actors being violent as justifiable, but non-state actors as not, so it’s not right to say they don’t support calls for violence, they only don’t support selective ones that they are not entirely clear about. They don’t support the people
It doesn’t matter what Reddit’s policy is when they outsource decision making to India where decisions seem to be taken without context or at random. It’s usually up to volunteer moderators to set the rules and tone for a community.
Admins and mods have other tools to deal with those issues. But given that Reddit is a corporation it will likely also remove content that are in a murky area rules-wise, or given the current political climate selectively apply the rules. That creates a risk for redditors who try to use the site legitimately as well.
Mods don’t and mods do 99% of work.
Mods can take subs private temporarily if they notice brigading. They can also contact admins who could use other tools at their disposal. Not fun, but effective.
Do you realise what it means to take a subreddit private? What tools specifically do you mean? Have you ever contacted Reddit admins? XD
Nice, very dystopian
As someone who ditched Reddit a couple of years ago in favor of Lemmy, I feel a bit vindicated. I thought my “dump Reddit” mentality was maybe unjustified, but… here we are. No regrets.
and this way we’re also not throwing value at a hostile american corporation.
Exactly. That’s why I tend to always stick to the Fediverse, even when newer, trendier options pop up (like Bluesky).
Yep, wanted to comment to inform someone but resisted the other day, and now I’m glad I did.
Reddit finally admits that upvotes and downvotes are for agreement and disagreement.
were they not supposed to be?
No, originally they were supposed to be for content that contributes and added value, even if you didn’t agree:
But the amount of “came here to say this” and “haha epic updoot for you sir” has made it pretty clear that the karma whoring was for agreement.
It’s the reason there are echo chambers now.
Don’t get me wrong, the original intent of the upvote/downvote system died a year or two after Reddit started, but Reddit always maintained that upvotes and downvotes weren’t for agreement.
The original intent is what my understanding was and why I don’t upvote reposts across multiple communities.
Just a few moments ago I upvoted a post that I didn’t “like” because the discourse on it was so good.
…There’s definitely stuff I still hate-downvote tho 😈
i mean tbh the value someone sees depends on their perspective and is inherently tied to agreement.
e.g. I would downvote anything I recognise as primarily genai content because I don’t see value in it. But I only don’t see value in it because I am against it morally and disagree with it.
I’ll preface this by saying I am/was a Reddit user since its first year operating in 2005/2006.
The notion that reality is entirely subjective is relatively new and I believe has led to a myriad of consequences across society from social media to journalism to politics. Even if we will never arrive at a future in which we can all acknowledge what a spade is, we should absolutely continue to strive for that. Common understanding is the bedrock of liberal societies. We need it for science and democracy to function.
The “Redditquette” the user above explained was the notion that disagreement isn’t invalid. By this I am referring to the philosophical distinction between valid and invalid arguments. For example:
- Every dog is a reptile.
- Every reptile is cold-blooded.
- Therefore, every dog is cold-blooded.
This argument is silly and easily disproved, but valid. Flat Earthers often make valid but easily disproved arguments, and there is much to gain in the world by people having valid discussions with one another. Especially from a curious and open position.
On the other hand, invalid arguments are those in whose conclusion is not proven by its premises. That is, even if all the premises are true, the conclusion could still be false. For example:
- Being friendly is the easiest way to make friends quickly.
- Alana has a lot of friends.
- Therefore, Alana must be very friendly.
The argument tells us that being friendly is one way to make friends, but is that the only way? And does having a lot of friends necessarily mean that you are very friendly? Although Alana might be very friendly, the author hasn’t proven that she is. There is nothing to gain by engaging with this, other than to potentially educate someone about valid and invalid arguments. However this rarely works out well over the internet. This is an opinion masquerading as reason or fact. Trolling uses some variation of this.
Reddiquette was intended to encourage healthy discussion without immediately devolving into insults and death threats. It actually worked really fucking well, for many years. In the early days, the administrators would enforce Rediquette, as crazy as that sounds. They would give out warnings for people downvoting earnest comments and submissions. Some of the better moderated subreddits still maintain a shadow of this, but they don’t have the tools to see who is up/downvoting what.
Unfortunately there is some game theory in this. If the rules are “downvote what you don’t like,” then both sides of any debate must use this rule, or their comments will be permanently hidden, and their ideas will never propagate. The evidence is that this rule is quite devastating for online discourse, and I miss old Reddit.
the idea that reality is subjective is relatively new
uhhh the parable of the cave?
The operative word there is “entirely.” We have philosophy going back thousands of years playing with the subjective nature of reality. There is some truth to this. However most of human history has been an exercise in “might makes right,” and truth was whatever the person with the biggest club said it was. Then the Enlightenment happened and it was suddenly considered virtuous to observe, document, and publish objective reality. See the early days of the conflicts with the Church to understand how uncomfortable it can make those who enjoy subjective reality suddenly being confronted with the concept of objective reality.
It’s only relatively recently (post Enlightenment) that large portions of society decided it was a good idea to disregard objective reality in journalism, science, and politics, in favour of subjective or “lived” realities. We can in part thank postmodernism for escaping academic containment, but I think that’s only part of the slide. Whatever the cause, I think it behooves all of us to attempt to steer into objectivism as frequently and clearly as possible. Depending on the metric, Western society has arguably never been this polarised. If we can’t agree on the definition of words, we aren’t even speaking the same language anymore. Our North Star needs to be shared language so at the very least we can have valid arguments with each other. That is how we progress.
You’re right. Reddit was naive to expect that people would give a positive value to something they inherently disagreed with.
Of course, now they’re going to punish people who agree with things that Reddit doesn’t agree with.
Reddit loves violent content, provided it has a strongly homophobic, misogynistic, theistic, or otherwise conservative element. If course, if you make the mistake of reporting violent content, then it’s up to the individual moderators of the sub posting that content to decide whether the content is actually violent (according to their own standards), or whether you’re actually just “harassing” them by reporting it.
You can report to mods, or to reddit itself.
I never reported violence but reported a fair deal of racism on non-english subreddits I browse. They were taken down.
Spoken like you have never been on reddit.
What makes you disagree lmao.
No offense but, I would’ve posted that on the many Reddit communities instead of this one. We don’t need to be reminded how shitty Reddit is.
Let’s focus on how the fediverse is doing instead.
Good reminder and nice to stay informed what new hell is cooking up
There are so many communities where this would have been much more relevant
agreed. at most it belongs on !fedibridge@lemmy.dbzer0.com so we can consider how we can use it to advertise lemmy to disenchanted r$dditors.
Helps me whenever I feel nostalgic for the giant content silos Reddit has.
I think major Reddit news is absolutely relevant to the Lemmy community. If nothing else, it is a good reminder of what we want from our communities and why we are here and not there. In addition, it may lead to a surge in active users.
What happens if you ignore the “warning”?
You see spez’s ban hammer coming at you.
A social credit score, if you will. Government is gonna love purchasing this on the cheap. Hell, maybe they already have.
It has had a social credit score for a while now. Content from people with low social credit gets auto flagged to the mods.
You’re not wrong, but having a specific score of upvoting problematic content feels like a new low.
